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Re:Jeremy Bentham's revolutionary views on sex by michaelsbradley on Sunday June 29, 2014 @04:38PM (#7962312)
Men and women are sexual beings, no doubt; and sex can be about but pleasure, but also so much more.

Readers here may be interested in studying a somewhat different take on human sexuality, John Paul II's Theology of the Body[1], which "presents an interpretation of the fundamental significance of the body, and in particular of sexual differentiation and complementarity, one which aims to challenge common contemporary philosophical views."[2]

[1] http://www.ewtn.com/library/PAPALDOC/JP2TBIND.HTM

[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theology_of_the_Body

Re:Jeremy Bentham's revolutionary views on sex by VMG on Sunday June 29, 2014 @04:50PM (#7962351)
> The ability of the human body to express truth through the sexual union of married couples is acclaimed. The moral wrongness of using artificial means to manipulate such a significant aspect of the created body is explained.

Please take a moment to reflect how much damage this type of thinking has done in the world.

This book isn't just useless and misguided, it's positively evil.

Re:Jeremy Bentham's revolutionary views on sex by belovedeagle on Sunday June 29, 2014 @05:13PM (#7962432)
Without having read the book or arguing for one side or the other, I have to point out that you aren't attempting to meet with the argument or even attack the premises. Instead, you're looking at the conclusion and declaring that, in effect, it is immoral to even argue for that position. This is dogmatism; this is wrong; this is antithetical to sound and rational behavior (to be clear, "this" is your argument, not his!). In short, you /might/ even say that what you've just done is... evil.
Re:Jeremy Bentham's revolutionary views on sex by disputin on Sunday June 29, 2014 @06:50PM (#7962804)
"The abillity .... is acclaimed". Is it? A claim to backup a claim. (Or is that acclaim to backup a claim.)
Re:Jeremy Bentham's revolutionary views on sex by andrzejsz on Sunday June 29, 2014 @05:30PM (#7962496)
Just out of curiosity what damage ?
Re:Jeremy Bentham's revolutionary views on sex by VMG on Sunday June 29, 2014 @06:43PM (#7962783)
Death.

> It follows that many of those who died from AIDS would still be alive today had the Catholic Church abandoned its condom ban in the 1980s, as it became clear that condoms were (and still are) the most effective practical measure to prevent the spread of the disease.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_HIV/AIDS

Also forbidding sane family planning and the prevention of unwanted offspring, where lack of necessary resources causes even more disease and more death.

Re:Jeremy Bentham's revolutionary views on sex by Qzmp on Sunday June 29, 2014 @07:29PM (#7962920)
People undeterred by the catholic church's prohibition on sex outside marriage are unlikely to be reluctant to wear condoms because of doctrinal concerns, I'd have thought.
Re:Jeremy Bentham's revolutionary views on sex by mercer on Monday June 30, 2014 @09:48AM (#7965019)
Theoretically, yes, but sadly the reality isn't quite like that. Passion/desire often trumps doctrine, and doing something that one thinks one shouldn't do can have all sorts of nasty consequences, ranging from teen pregnancy to untreated STD's.

Having been an Evangelical Christian and 'assistant teen pastor' in a previous life, I've seen this in action in many different areas of life. People constantly did things they believed were wrong, and the combination of not being prepared or informed about those things and feeling ashamed about it afterwards led to a lot of suffering.

Re:Jeremy Bentham's revolutionary views on sex by Numberwang on Sunday June 29, 2014 @04:41PM (#7962322)
This doesn't really seem relevant to a modern view of the world.
Re:Jeremy Bentham's revolutionary views on sex by callmeed on Sunday June 29, 2014 @04:46PM (#7962337)
Really? Lectures given a mere 30 years ago are now irrelevant? You make me feel old.
Re:Jeremy Bentham's revolutionary views on sex by VMG on Sunday June 29, 2014 @04:54PM (#7962365)
They were irrelevant even 30 years ago. Unfortunately their impact isn't.
Re:Jeremy Bentham's revolutionary views on sex by callmeed on Sunday June 29, 2014 @05:04PM (#7962398)
They were from the leader of one of the largest religions of the world–which still represents roughly 17% of the world population. I'd say they are still relevant and part of what Numberwang refers to as a "modern view of the world".

BTW, I'm not saying I agree with the content of those lectures. Only that dismissing them because you think the modern world doesn't hold those views is silly. And, yes, I'm aware that more recent pontiffs have expressed different views.

Re:Jeremy Bentham's revolutionary views on sex by andrzejsz on Sunday June 29, 2014 @06:38PM (#7962766)
just to know what are this different views by more recent pontiffs.
Re:Jeremy Bentham's revolutionary views on sex by callmeed on Monday June 30, 2014 @01:30PM (#7966302)
Re:Jeremy Bentham's revolutionary views on sex by VMG on Sunday June 29, 2014 @05:22PM (#7962460)
I'm aware that some people think they're relevant (and that fact is relevant), I'm just pointing out that the teachings themselves are not.
Re:Jeremy Bentham's revolutionary views on sex by lotharbot on Sunday June 29, 2014 @05:45PM (#7962567)
You seem to be confusing "relevant" with "correct".

The teachings are most definitely relevant, if for no other reason than that perhaps a billion people worldwide consider the teacher to be directly important to them.

Re:Jeremy Bentham's revolutionary views on sex by kd0amg on Sunday June 29, 2014 @04:58PM (#7962375)
Being outdated is about content, not publication date.
Re:Jeremy Bentham's revolutionary views on sex by disputin on Sunday June 29, 2014 @05:25PM (#7962478)
I haven't read any of that, but isn't the pope commenting on sexuality a bit like a bedouin commenting on marine biology?
Re:Jeremy Bentham's revolutionary views on sex by andrzejsz on Sunday June 29, 2014 @06:35PM (#7962752)
believe it or not but you do not to have direct experience to be able to produce judgment. In fact researcher should have distance from the subject he/she is investigating.