Re:Ask HN: How to Find a Developer Job with a Felony?
by jcampbell1 on Friday June 27, 2014 @12:21PM
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Your description of the events seems overly mild to me.
I read that he POC'd a site, and then disclosed it the same day to @lulzsec.
The latter is what got him the felony, but you make it seem like the former or his timing was the problem.
Re:Ask HN: How to Find a Developer Job with a Felony?
by sarciszewski on Friday June 27, 2014 @12:34PM
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The FBI agents said if I had done it six weeks prior, they wouldn't be arresting me they'd be saying "Don't do it again."
Re:Ask HN: How to Find a Developer Job with a Felony?
by jcampbell1 on Friday June 27, 2014 @12:57PM
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In fairness, lulzsec did morph from "security research group tired of waiting for site operators to protect their users" to "blackhat hacker collective".
The timing was a major problem. If you do have to defend yourself, I think saying you misjudged the nature of lulzsec is a defensible thing to say.
Re:Ask HN: How to Find a Developer Job with a Felony?
by lifeisstillgood on Friday June 27, 2014 @12:37PM
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Hmmm - yes I was under that impression (although I do know the UK equivalents are similar) I just think back to the Citibank URL incident.
Re: jcampbell - I can't reply direct yet, but I am not sure that it is illegal to tell people how to pick a lock in the UK, even if you shout it out in some of the rougher pubs in the East End. It's just illegal to "go equipped".
I guess how the law is, and how the law would be under a sensible compromise is the OPs problem.
So, poor timing, poor choice of people to reveal it to.
If that happens to you, I think the impression you don't want to create is that you vigorously contest the criminality of your actions. That impression comes freighted with the concern that you might think exploiting vulnerabilities without permission in order to make a point on Twitter is a good idea. That concern is, to many employers, both valid and relevant.
Instead, I think you want to create the impression that you've learned that the standards are strict for not messing with other people's systems without permission. And that you've learned better than most other professionals that systems in production are not to be trifled with out of process. And thus that of all the people a firm could hire, you're among the least likely to cause outages and disruption by making dumb out-of-process changes.
For whatever it's worth: if you want Exhibit A for why I don't have a lot of sympathy for people involved in "Lulzsec": breaking into sites and circulating credit card numbers and dumping databases created a set of circumstances that law enforcement absolutely had to respond to, and that's what sets up the crossfire that undisciplined but well-intentioned bug hunters get caught in. The people who go beyond doc'ing vulnerabilities to dump databases and take down sites are in some sense ruining things for everyone else.