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Re:A SWAT team blew a hole in my 2-year-old son by dublinben on Tuesday June 24, 2014 @01:39PM (#7939101)
Non-violent crimes turn into violent standoffs when the police routinely respond to them with aggressive raids. This is completely a product of escalation between the illegal gangs and the 'legal' gang.
Re:A SWAT team blew a hole in my 2-year-old son by opendais on Tuesday June 24, 2014 @01:49PM (#7939177)
Yes. A non-swat approach is pretty simple:

Observe the location in an unmarked police car and wait for the suspect to leave, then enter to acquire the evidence.

No confrontation required.

There is no real urgency that justifies a raid when no one is in any danger of violent harm.

Re:A SWAT team blew a hole in my 2-year-old son by danielweber on Tuesday June 24, 2014 @01:58PM (#7939257)
You don't even need to have a cop in the unmarked car. You can have a remotely viewable camera that the desk-duty cop watches from the precinct headquarters.

EDIT to address the troll: you can run these off of a car battery and stream it over the cellphone network. Quality will be rather good even then. If you can park a car, you can set up the camera. PTZ, too.

Re:A SWAT team blew a hole in my 2-year-old son by moggflunkies on Tuesday June 24, 2014 @02:24PM (#7939458)
"don't mind me poor 100% black community im just here from ADT to install this randomly hallarious HD camera and wireless antenna facing this decrepit house"

king of non-suspicious behavior

Re:A SWAT team blew a hole in my 2-year-old son by malandrew on Tuesday June 24, 2014 @02:48PM (#7939653)
The typical utility company truck (gas, electricity, water) can be parked outside and someone could install any number of objects that contain cameras/microphones, but don't look like one. Resorting to an obvious strawman does nothing.
Re:A SWAT team blew a hole in my 2-year-old son by a3n on Wednesday June 25, 2014 @08:14AM (#7943429)
That would be dangerous for the utility company employees, because this tactic would quickly become known, and all utility vehicles and employees would then be viewed with hostility and suspicion by criminals and other residents.

Similar to the vaccination blowback after the Bin Laden raid.

Re:A SWAT team blew a hole in my 2-year-old son by bmelton on Tuesday June 24, 2014 @03:22PM (#7939906)
Having built them for the ATF, there are concealable cameras that mount to light poles and run off grid power. There are also concealable cameras that look like fire hydrants, high voltage signs, rocks, and cars that are designed to feed the video back wirelessly and be rapidly deployable.
Re:A SWAT team blew a hole in my 2-year-old son by ganeumann on Tuesday June 24, 2014 @02:13PM (#7939368)
Even easier: wait for the suspect to leave the house, arrest him, then go do a leisurely search without having to worry about the suspect being violent.
Re:A SWAT team blew a hole in my 2-year-old son by moggflunkies on Tuesday June 24, 2014 @02:22PM (#7939437)
LOOOL

How about real life happens in your story:

- Look outs realize there is an anomalous vehicle staged in the neighborhood & alert the team. How do you not get detected?

- Drug dealers arn't home so they send a child/girlfriend to pickup the stash/cash from the home. Do you arrest and charge the 14 year old son of the dealer?

- Dope boys have children/women runners do the logistical aspects. Arrest the dealer, go in the house and find the stash, the girlfriend claims its hers. Dope boy walks free.

Congrats you have done nothing but charged a 14 year old relative and/or girlfriend of the dealer, alerted the hood that its under surveillance and your target flees to a different zone/state/country.

Re:A SWAT team blew a hole in my 2-year-old son by ameister14 on Tuesday June 24, 2014 @03:21PM (#7939902)
Instead, why don't you attack the house where his child and girlfriend/grandma are sleeping? Is that a better solution? Doesn't that turn the town/neighborhood/village against you? Kill someone's kid and they'll never trust anyone that looks like you again; they'll probably try to kill you if they can, and they definitely won't help you with information. Neither will their friends or relatives.

Why would you care if the target flees to another zone/state/country? They're out of your hair and without contacts, they won't be nearly as effective in their objectives.

Since we're talking domestic, they're not nearly as likely to flee to another country or state; people are tied to neighborhoods. Sure, if they're alerted to your surveillance your job gets a lot harder, but that doesn't matter to the innocent.

Crime is down, and police are dangerous. That's the environment we have now. If middle class white people fear the police more than criminals, the police have a problem, and the government has a problem. That prevents them from doing their jobs as well.

Re:A SWAT team blew a hole in my 2-year-old son by matwood on Tuesday June 24, 2014 @02:36PM (#7939547)
Huh? If you have evidence for a warrant on a supposedly dangerous dealer you don't need to catch them with drugs. Simply wait them out for when they leave their house and pick them up then.
Re:A SWAT team blew a hole in my 2-year-old son by chc on Tuesday June 24, 2014 @02:43PM (#7939608)
Did you know that a search warrant is not the same as an arrest warrant?
Re:A SWAT team blew a hole in my 2-year-old son by matwood on Tuesday June 24, 2014 @03:05PM (#7939793)
The original comment mentioned arresting someone. If they want to search the house then wait till it is mostly empty. Presumably to get the warrant they have at least a modicum of surveillance? Maybe made and undercover buy or 2?

There are plenty of ways to avoid violence unless absolutely necessary. Instead police want to raise the level of violence and approach every citizen as an enemy combatant. If a cop wants to play military war fighter, then go join the military.

Re:A SWAT team blew a hole in my 2-year-old son by ganeumann on Tuesday June 24, 2014 @04:56PM (#7940590)
It would seem that if you have enough probably cause to go into the suspect's family's house with an armed and armored SWAT team tossing grenades, then you would have enough probably cause to simply arrest him and bring him down to the station. It's also much more civilized that way.
Re:A SWAT team blew a hole in my 2-year-old son by moggflunkies on Tuesday June 24, 2014 @02:14PM (#7939372)
ITT: people who have never been in law enforcement or military service.

>drug offenders are perfectly well adjusted people, just politely knock they will let you in every time. >drug dealers don't flee the state/country when they suspect being watched/followed/pending arrest >I wonder why it's called a "trap house"

I hope that you live in an upper middle class community in California to justify the logic behind your post.

Re:A SWAT team blew a hole in my 2-year-old son by opendais on Tuesday June 24, 2014 @02:36PM (#7939545)
No?

You just don't do it for the pot dealer down the street. Instead, you wait for him to leave and break in to get what you need. Preferably in a way that isn't visible from the street so you can arrest the guy before/after.