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Re:Web Starter Kit by ChuckMcM on Thursday June 19, 2014 @05:38PM (#7918449)
You trade browser lock-in for OS lock-in. The original Internet Explorer strategy. Fundamentally it is a rent seeking strategy. When I noticed that Google was up to paying a billion dollars a quarter for traffic I realized that in some ways the gold leaf was falling off the piazza and revealing the the ugly plaster behind it. My guess is that the rent seeking here is in the form of directing search traffic in some way.
Re:Web Starter Kit by esolyt on Thursday June 19, 2014 @06:01PM (#7918534)
Browser lock-in?

What makes you think web applications made with this kit work only in Chrome?

Re:Web Starter Kit by ChuckMcM on Thursday June 19, 2014 @08:01PM (#7918940)
So understand I've got a bit of history here, back in the old days I was working on Java/HotJava and the whole applet thing. Netscape was doing their own thing with what would become known as Javascript. Our vision was "Gee everything that runs in Java can run anywhere, regardless of OS or device etc etc." its a great vision. In the nearly 20 years since since Java pushed out the door (March '95, best of times and worst of times :-) this has never worked. Not for Java, not for Javascript, not for C#, not anything. Certain browsers work, some don't, there are quirks everywhere.

The default defensive strategy is to pick one browser you know work and select that as the 'standard.'

Not complaining just noting the lock in is an emergent property.

Re:Web Starter Kit by jacquesm on Thursday June 19, 2014 @08:27PM (#7919000)
I think that to some degree the lack of certification for browsers (and ditto for Java runtimes back in the days) is what is causing this. Write-once-run-anywhere became Write-once-debug-everywhere.

Java seems to finally start to deliver on this promise though, the last few years have seen quite a bit of improvement. (Still far from perfect though, just the other day I was fighting some corporate website that insisted I install a certain version of Java in a certain browser in order to be allowed access, and it crashed in terrible ways when I finally did gain access).

Imagine that your browser simply wouldn't be allowed on the web until it conformed to a standard. Just like cars aren't allowed to go on the road if they do not conform.

This is unlikely to ever happen for various reasons and I don't think it would be a good thing but the number of broken implementations and hacks-that-became-standards is too large to even count by now.

Re:Web Starter Kit by eli on Friday June 20, 2014 @12:38AM (#7919541)
Didn't J2ME have a certification process? That was still a hot mess to develop for.
Re:Web Starter Kit by addyo on Thursday June 19, 2014 @06:14PM (#7918575)
One of the core values behind this project is that it should work extremely well cross-device and that most definitely means on devices where Chrome isn't the primary browser. During development we've ensured that we test on Firefox OS, Windows phone, iOS and browsers other than Chrome which run on Android. I want to give people something that they can rely on. Chrome isn't the only browser in the world for sure :)
Re:Web Starter Kit by gress on Thursday June 19, 2014 @08:38PM (#7919031)
Looks like browsersync is a Chrome only proprietary feature.
Re:Web Starter Kit by voltagex_ on Thursday June 19, 2014 @10:44PM (#7919316)
http://browsersync.io/ - at least the server side seems to be open.
Re:Web Starter Kit by gress on Friday June 20, 2014 @01:31AM (#7919625)
Nope. This is a chrome feature that just happens to have the same name as that site. There is no connection.
Re:Web Starter Kit by Flenser on Friday June 20, 2014 @11:23AM (#7921069)
No, it's http://browsersync.io/ - the readme links directly to that site: https://github.com/google/web-starter-kit#features
Re:Web Starter Kit by gress on Friday June 20, 2014 @11:57AM (#7921254)
I stand corrected. This is a design-time tool. I mistook it for the consumer feature of the same name.
Re:Web Starter Kit by chillingeffect on Thursday June 19, 2014 @07:30PM (#7918844)
I don't think he means locked into a single browser, I think he miiiight mean "generally locked into using a computer at the level of a browser vs. at the level of the OS." As in, "your mom and uncle will buy a web-browser, they won't buy a computer."

Correct me if I'm wrong :)

Re:Web Starter Kit by esolyt on Friday June 20, 2014 @06:45AM (#7920191)
I don't think so. This is the sentence he replied to:

"The only plus I see in all this is that in the end we are now free of the API lock-in that OS vendors traditionally required"

The discussion here is about APIs that are specific to Apple, Microsoft, Google etc.