Re:How To Let People Know You're A Bad Python Programmer
by erlanger on Friday August 28, 2009 @02:18PM
(#791918)
> first-class.
I'm not sure I follow. This looks first-class to me.
def name_printer(name):
def printer():
print(name)
return printer
erlanger_printer = name_printer('erlanger')
Python doesn't support creating anonymous functions, but functions are first-class. Sorry if you already knew this; it seems like you know Python pretty well so I'm sure you do.
Re:How To Let People Know You're A Bad Python Programmer
by blasdel on Friday August 28, 2009 @03:16PM
(#792056)
Of course functions are first-class, and the lambda statement does return anonymous functions. Functions in Python are just objects that have a __call__ method, and methods are just functions partially-applied to the object they are bound on -- LOVELY METACIRCULARITY
What aren't first class are statements and suites (indented blocks of expressions) -- they're part of the syntax and thus can't be constructed or referred to. Particularly nasty is the way non-value-returning statements can't be used in expressions passed to other statements.
Your example is perfect -- in Python < 3, print is a statement and not a built-in function!
# this is invalid syntax:
name_printer = lambda x: lambda: print x
# with print as a function it works:
from __future__ import print_function
name_printer = lambda x: lambda: print(x)
Re:How To Let People Know You're A Bad Python Programmer
by erlanger on Friday August 28, 2009 @03:32PM
(#792090)
Nice explanation. Note that I did wrap my print arg in parens, however. When I heard they were changing it to a function in 3 I made this a habit.
Re:How To Let People Know You're A Bad Python Programmer
by blasdel on Friday August 28, 2009 @04:04PM
(#792171)
Using parens that way with the print statement is a bad idea. You aren't using it like a function -- the parens are parsed as an expression.
statement function
print(1) 1 1
print(1,2) (1, 2) 1 2
print(1,2), 3 (1, 2) 3 SyntaxError
Just use the old syntax, and let 2to3 take care of you when the time comes.
Python is not really a functional programming language -- it has statements and suites, neither of which are first-class.
lambda is implemented as an inline (suite-less) value-returning statement (like the ternary statement) because dealing with indentation would be a bitch. Since statements cannot contain other statements outside of suites, it's impossible to implement full-fledged anonymous functions in the language grammar without breaking something.
While I'd love TCO in python, I like the stack traces better (ever dealt with a stray head [] in GHC?).