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Re:Results of Stack Overflow survey of 20,000 developers by pvarangot on Tuesday June 10, 2014 @07:17PM (#7875849)
I'm from Argentina, and used to work (a long time ago though) with developers from Venezuela an Brazil.

Not even an entry level developer makes U$d5000 a year, unless he is not working full time and even that would be stretching it. Entry level jobs in shitty places get you arround u$d7500/8000 a year. First job in a big company after you graduate gets you arround u$d11000/year, and with 2 or 3 years of experience you can get u$d15000/year easily if you are worth the investment. Upper tier jobs (manager, project leader or research for a big corporation, working remotely for someone in the US/Europe, consulting) start in u$d20000/year and can easily get to u$d30000/year.

That is using Argentina's and Venezuela's black market exchange rate, or Brazil's official one.

In Argentina even a PhD candidate gets more than u$d5000 a year from his publicly funded University. No idea about Brazil/Venezuela on this.

Re:Results of Stack Overflow survey of 20,000 developers by GFischer on Wednesday June 11, 2014 @08:14AM (#7877559)
I have the stats from the Uruguayan Chamber of Software (CUTI), for the average salaries here in Uruguay (which is admittedly one of the better paying countries in South America) based on 330 companies (most are small, low-paying shops), and from my experience, they're what people are actually getting (in the IT industry, service companies pay more):

Monthly salary before taxes (take home pay is between 80% to 60% for the highest salaries)

Junior Dev (0 to 3 years): U$ 1000/month - U$ 12.000 year before taxes (but almost untaxed, maybe 10% in taxes)

Intermediate (3 to 7 years): U$ 1250/month - U$ 15.000 year before taxes

Senior (> 7 years or exceptional): U$ 1850/month - U$ 22.000 a year before taxes

Tech Lead/Super Senior: average U$ 2500/month (before taxes) so U$ 30.000 a year before taxes

Project Manager (Dev Lead or actual manager, not PM role): average U$ 2500/month (before taxes) so U$ 30.000 a year before taxes

Many of the better and smarter developers either open up their own consulting shops (making a lot more than those averages), or work remotely.

The best developers I know of make about U$ 40.000/year before taxes.

I'm currently stuck at the "senior" level, the thing is the cost of living isn't that much cheaper than in other countries so I really want to make more, so I must start working remotely if I want to break the salary barriers here.

Re:Results of Stack Overflow survey of 20,000 developers by conanbatt on Wednesday June 11, 2014 @12:36PM (#7878905)
You can get 40% taxes on high income? thats nuts.

The cost of living in SF is crazy, 40k in Argentina , in terms of nominal value, after taxes are probably around 32k/y, 2600 net dollars per month. Rent of a 1 bedroom place in a decent neightborgood=> 400 U$S a month. Grocieries, living costs, going out,etc,say..250 U$S? Lets make you a party animal and big spender at 400 U$S a month for that.

So after takes and expenses, 40k a year in argentina yields you 1800U$S a month.

In san francisco, a 1br for yourself is 2k a month at least. Work often provides food, but if it doesnt, at 10 dollars a meal avg you get 10 x 30 x 2 = 600U$S in food alone. Restaurants, shows, going out, drinks, add 200 U$S a month, if you go out weekly.

That ends up being about 2800 U$S per month only on rent+food. To be able to nominally save 1800U$S a month, you have to make 4600U$S pre-tax, which at 28% taxes, ends up being about 70k annual income.

The point of this exercise is to measure the impact of cost of living on salary: it definitely makes a dent(you need 30k a year more in San Francisco for the cost of living difference). However, its very easy to make 100k+ in the bay area working for a startup (and more if you work for facebook or google), which means you will always make way more money working in a startup in the us,than any income bracket in uruguay.

(assumption: cost of living in Uruguay ~= Argentina)

Re:Results of Stack Overflow survey of 20,000 developers by GFischer on Wednesday June 11, 2014 @02:03PM (#7879426)
Cost of living in Uruguay is higher than in Argentina at the moment, mostly due to rent being close to twice as much.

I pay U$ 700 in rent+expenses and it's not uncommon in a "good" neighbourhood (I was paying close to U$ 1000 before, including very high apartment expenses, in one of the better neighbourhoods called Punta Carretas, think Palermo, before I had to downsize).

If you own your own home, living becomes much cheaper, but I don't :( and they're incredibly expensive right now (the housing bubble never burst here, though it has slowed down).

Food is more expensive here as well, but not as much as housing.

I pay U$ 700 for food and going out for 2 people (We do eat takeaway and go out a lot, so it's definitely not normal. But I get paid U$ 300 in meal vouchers which suck).

So I have U$ 400 for the rest (including gas, insurance, medicine, any extra expenses...), so I basically can't save (I could if I cut down on the eating and going out part).

"Real" salaries are higher I think, so it makes up for a bit of the difference between Uruguay and Argentina.

But still, I'll never be able to afford a house unless the housing bubble bursts or I start working abroad.

I'm including social security and healthcare in the "taxes" part (that's why I said take home pay could be 60%), I get deducted 17.5% of my nominal salary for social security, 20% for taxes, and 5% for healthcare. To make it worse, I actually get paid a part of the remainder in "meal vouchers" called Tickets Alimentación.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meal_voucher

Re:Results of Stack Overflow survey of 20,000 developers by conanbatt on Wednesday June 11, 2014 @04:42PM (#7880317)
I see, thanks for the data.

Rent in Argentina is crazy low in proportion to property pricing. As rent grows 20% year over year on contract, and inflation is higher, rent is lagging behind. I remember my absolute dollar value rent going down from 400U$S to 350U$S, in a 1 br 82m2-next to subway-first occupant appt.

Inflation really does a number on the economy.

And Im glad meal vouchers dissapeared in argentina, we had all sorts of them 8 years ago.

Regarding property prices in Uruguay, don't you have a reliable mortgage industry? Ours is ridiculously small, and inflation makes it risky and unreliable for both lenders and borrowers.

Re:Results of Stack Overflow survey of 20,000 developers by novaleaf on Tuesday June 10, 2014 @10:54PM (#7876344)
Thailand's pay scales are very similar. entry level devs from a CS degree can expect a minimum of 7500 usd/year at the sub 50 percentile.
Re:Results of Stack Overflow survey of 20,000 developers by conanbatt on Tuesday June 10, 2014 @10:05PM (#7876260)
Im not disputing your numbers with confidence, but some look a bit too high.

Which company pays 11000+ pesos a month for someone without work experience? The big guys, like Globant or IBM surely dont.

Making 15000 pesos a month is far from average for a programmer in buenos aires even with a few years of xp.

Re:Results of Stack Overflow survey of 20,000 developers by pedrosorio on Wednesday June 11, 2014 @02:14AM (#7876679)
The parent comment talks about 11000 dollars per year. According to google that translates to less than 7500 Argentine pesos per month: https://www.google.com/#q=11000%2F12+usd+in+argentine+pesos
Re:Results of Stack Overflow survey of 20,000 developers by conanbatt on Wednesday June 11, 2014 @05:22AM (#7877081)
That is using the 'official' rate, which the rate the central bank forces(if you transfer money to argentina, the central bank will keep the dollars and give you pesos) you to sell your dollars to(about 8.05). But you cant buy dollars from the central bank, so you have to get them 'illegaly', which is between 11 and 12 pesos per dollar today.

Thats what the OP refers to with black market exchange.

Disclosure: I am also Argentinian