Re:Results of Stack Overflow survey of 20,000 developers
by planckscnst on Tuesday June 10, 2014 @05:11PM
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Or a bunch of them live off their parents. It would make sense that there is a large population of students living in California using SO.
Re:Results of Stack Overflow survey of 20,000 developers
by lucideer on Tuesday June 10, 2014 @05:12PM
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the 55% includes unemployed programmers worldwide
- 16.7% of programmers with jobs earn <$20k
- 2.2% of US programmers with jobs earn <$20k
Re:Results of Stack Overflow survey of 20,000 developers
by ramayac on Tuesday June 10, 2014 @07:19PM
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I'm a full time developer Java/SQL, finishing a MBA... and I still make < $20k/year.
It's ridiculous in USA, but in LATAM it's sad reality.
Re:Results of Stack Overflow survey of 20,000 developers
by thiagocmoraes on Tuesday June 10, 2014 @07:52PM
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In which city do you work? If you go to a big IT center in Brazil such as São Paulo or Campinas, $20k/year is just a little over the starting salary for a new grad from a top school. There's LOTS of worse positions, but this is not really that hard to find, considering that HN crowd is probably more qualified than the average developer...
Re:Results of Stack Overflow survey of 20,000 developers
by elboru on Wednesday June 11, 2014 @12:55AM
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That's true in Mexico too, if you work for small or local companies in a small/middle city, <$20,000 is almost the rule, but if you go to bigger cities, having enough English skills, with international companies, then salaries are incremented at least 100% (but still far from salaries in the US). That according to my experience, coming from an 800,000 citizens city to Guadalajara second biggest city in Mexico.
Re:Results of Stack Overflow survey of 20,000 developers
by yulaow on Tuesday June 10, 2014 @10:41PM
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In the big cities the cost-to-live should be higher, maybe compensating the difference in salary. Is it?
Re:Results of Stack Overflow survey of 20,000 developers
by ramayac on Wednesday June 11, 2014 @10:37AM
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The capital of El Salvador, it's the largest city of the country :|
Re:Results of Stack Overflow survey of 20,000 developers
by mathattack on Wednesday June 11, 2014 @12:19AM
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Maybe it's 55% of programmers who respond to surveys like this...
Could it also be that it's a lot of people in lower income countries?
Re:Results of Stack Overflow survey of 20,000 developers
by colmvp on Tuesday June 10, 2014 @11:00PM
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Whereas according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, 23.0% of U.S. programmers, and 39.5% of U.S. web developers are women.
Re:Results of Stack Overflow survey of 20,000 developers
by m4x on Wednesday June 11, 2014 @02:01AM
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Which is interesting, because it implies that female programmers are less likely to use SO (or at least respond to SO surveys) than male programmers are. Why is that?
EDIT: or they're unwilling to specify their gender
- 55% of programmers surveyed are making less than $20k/yr, which is ridiculous.
- 4.9% of programmers surveyed are women
- 2.7% of programmers surveyed are 51+
- 17.5% of programmers earning less than $20k/yr live in California.
That last fact caught my eye, so I did some math:
This article (http://www.wired.com/2014/04/no-exit/) says that the author pays $1250/mo "for a mattress on the floor, behind a panel of imbricated torn shower curtains, in an unheated rabbit warren of 20 bunk beds under a low converted-warehouse ceiling." Assuming they all live in the same space that the author lived in, they spend $15000/yr on rent alone. Assuming that they have health insurance, a cell phone plan, and pay $3/day for transportation, they have (and I swear I'm not making this up) about $3.50 per day to spend on food.