Re:An interactive exploration of Boston's subway system
by rst on Tuesday June 10, 2014 @01:28PM
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FWIW, even newer parts of the NYC system aren't getting bypass capability -- the initial portion of the second avenue subway will be double-tracked when it opens in a few years; they even cut out a planned storage track (which could at least have been used to get disabled trains out of the way) to save construction costs.
Re:An interactive exploration of Boston's subway system
by bane on Tuesday June 10, 2014 @04:00PM
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I can almost guarantee that if you add up lost productivity over the next 50, 100 or whatever n years, the loss in monetary value will be far greater than the construction costs amortized over the same period.
Re:An interactive exploration of Boston's subway system
by tkmcc on Tuesday June 10, 2014 @07:44PM
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There actually is a secondary system to the Paris Métro that runs faster and makes fewer stops called the Réseau Express Régional: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RER
I found this part of the Wikipedia article especially interesting:
> Used for leisure journeys, the RER has had a major social impact. By bringing far-flung suburbs within easy reach of central Paris, the network has aided the reintegration of the traditionally insular capital with its periphery.
Re:An interactive exploration of Boston's subway system
by lmm on Tuesday June 10, 2014 @08:17PM
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The RER is a bunch of separate lines; of course when you have two lines covering similar routes one can (to a certain extent) relieve the other. What NY has is different: 4-track lines everywhere, allowing them to do maintenance on one track pair while keeping the other running.
Re:An interactive exploration of Boston's subway system
by guard-of-terra on Wednesday June 11, 2014 @03:05AM
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"Used for leisure journeys, the RER has had a major social impact. By bringing far-flung suburbs within easy reach"
That's what suburban train systems usually do, isn't it? You get on the train in the middle of the city and in 40 minutes there's lakes and forests and everything.
Re:An interactive exploration of Boston's subway system
by akgerber on Tuesday June 10, 2014 @11:11AM
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When new systems age, something similar to Chicago is likely to happen, which just closed a 1969-vintage line for 6 months to do a major reconstruction:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Ryan_branch_(CTA)
By all accounts, it worked pretty well.
I used/use the D.C. metro system since I was a kid and this has always been an issue with the system. As it gets older, the system gets more unreliable (and constant budget issues from having to span 3 territories continue to defer basic maintenance) it's getting worse and worse. During the summer you're lucky to get 5 continuous days of trouble-free service. Even worse, issues on unrelated lines spill over onto working lines and the entire system grinds to a halt. Even worse, the ride is pretty bad, it's as bumpy as the NYC system, which you wouldn't expect with it being half a century newer. But it's the maintenance that's at fault for all that.
But NYC is unusual in that it has such redundancy built into it, I don't think even other large systems of similar vintage (London, Paris) have such a robust system. Doing so these days is likely so expensive it'll just never happen elsewhere. Even the newest line being built for the D.C. system is single tracked.
That being said, NYC still has issues, probably stemming from it being basically ancient (so does London and Paris). It's a noisy, uncomfortable ride, with stations seemingly randomly closed and a service schedule that's pretty opaque once until you've used it for a long time.
Recently, I was in London, and almost everyday there was some kind of outage on the Tube. It's fortunate that stations are close enough, and the bus system so good, that you can work your way around it without too much fuss (and the TfL did a remarkably good job getting employees out and about to redirect people). It's just part of being an old system, the maintenance becomes pretty heavy.
I worry about the gleaming newer systems in Asia. Huge, complex, mostly built within the last 30-40 years...mostly single tracked like everywhere else. What's going to happen when these systems are more than 100 years old like the MTA or the Tube?