Re:Vodafone reveals direct government wiretaps
by elarkin on Friday June 06, 2014 @10:21AM
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Likely not, because that would implicitly expose the other 6.
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Re:Vodafone reveals direct government wiretaps
by furyg3 on Friday June 06, 2014 @10:47AM
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Truly a business with no ethics. An ethical company would publicly say "We'd like to invest, do business, and bring tax revenue into your country. Unfortunately there are several laws which you have which prevent us from doing so."
Re:Vodafone reveals direct government wiretaps
by freehunter on Friday June 06, 2014 @10:56AM
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And that "ethical business" would either cease to exist due to more profitable companies eating them up or would have their shareholders force the benevolent board of directors out of the company and they would go where the profits were anyway.
Companies cannot be ethical or unethical. They exist for no other reason than to make money.
Re:Vodafone reveals direct government wiretaps
by ZoFreX on Friday June 06, 2014 @12:46PM
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> or would have their shareholders force the benevolent board of directors out of the company and they would go where the profits were anyway
This is an oft-repeated misconception on Hacker News but shareholders don't have absolute power, profit is not the sole or most important driver of business decisions, and it absolutely is possible to run an ethical, publically-listed company.
How do you know? Perhaps there are shareholders who would laud the CEO for his stance and make him CEO for life. Perhaps the goodwill will fetch a lot of customers and revenue.
Re:Vodafone reveals direct government wiretaps
by k-mcgrady on Friday June 06, 2014 @11:07AM
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>> "Companies cannot be ethical or unethical. They exist for no other reason than to make money."
The people running them can be ethical. If the CEO does not like these practices he can speak publicly about it and name the countries involved.
Re:Vodafone reveals direct government wiretaps
by freehunter on Friday June 06, 2014 @11:19AM
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Something tells me you didn't read all of my post. If the CEO is doing something that the shareholders don't like, the...
>shareholders (could) force the benevolent board of directors out of the company and they would go where the profits were anyway
Re:Vodafone reveals direct government wiretaps
by k-mcgrady on Friday June 06, 2014 @12:04PM
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I did read it. My point was more about the CEO's personal Ethics. Does he value his job so much that he won't risk it at the expense of the countries getting away with huge privacy violations? If he publicly shamed these countries, was fired and the company continued to follow these laws maybe they would lose customers and it would negatively hurt their image and actually be worse for profits.
Re:Vodafone reveals direct government wiretaps
by Infinitesimus on Friday June 06, 2014 @11:20AM
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... and then the CEO would be displaced by someone whose interest aligns with the interests of those pushing programs like these in the first place - because they have the money/tools of power to skew things in their favor.