Which English? - Hackdot

Re:Which English? by nopinsight on Wednesday June 04, 2014 @04:28AM (#7844581)

Thanks a lot for the comment. I kind of notice that I overuse past tense a bit too, I'll try to go more with my guts next time. My general lesson: Oftentimes when I try to apply school grammar or logic, I tend to be a bit more off than when I apply the patterns I absorb through experience.

'Writings' is an interesting case. I believe mental lexicon is a lot harder for non-natives to grasp, simply because there are a lot more of them and English does not always treat them consistently. For example, I thought that a collection of written work is plural, while apparently you consider it a collection or an abstract object, and therefore used without an article and cannot in general be in the plural form.

However, this is what I found using Google 'define writing':

  2. written work, especially with regard to its style or quality. 
  * books, stories, articles, or other written works.
  plural noun: writings
  "he was introduced to the writings of Gertrude Stein"

So, dear native speakers, which is more appropriate in my use in the GP comment? writings or writing? :-)

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Re:Which English? by danielsju6 on Wednesday June 04, 2014 @06:46AM (#7844874)

There was another good post on here I saw recently on how we're using bad dictionaries, http://jsomers.net/blog/dictionary

For example the better (while old) Websters Revised only has these two entries for "writings":

  3. A book; any written composition; a pamphlet; as the writings of Addison.
  ...
  5. Writings, plu. conveyances of lands; deeds; or any official papers.

It specifically mentions that writings are more formal and pretty spot on for how we use the word.

TLDR; use this http://machaut.uchicago.edu/websters 1913 websters dictionary rather than the newer, while correct, dictionaries that don't capture vernacual. It's a shame a state of our dictionaries.

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Re:Which English? by lmm on Wednesday June 04, 2014 @06:04AM (#7844803)

As a Brit:

"go with my gut" rather than "guts", and I'd probably phrase it as "...try to go with my gut more next time".

"Oftentimes" sounds unnatural, not wrong but archaic; "Often" sounds more natural there.

"mental lexicon" is singular, but you've said "a lot more of them"; should probably be "a lot more of it". The opening of that sentence sounds a bit clipped; I might say "I believe the mental lexicon..." though that doesn't sound perfect either.

"writings" definitely sounds wrong for a collection of posts here; when you're talking about "the writings of x" it implies something more formal. I probably would've said "posts" or the like, but "writing" fits.

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Re:Which English? by mhixson on Wednesday June 04, 2014 @06:22AM (#7844833)

> If any American English native speaker has time on their hands, I'd be grateful if you can tell me the differences between my writings (you can click on my username for more samples) and those of an educated native American English speaker.

> So, dear native speakers, which is more appropriate in my use in the GP comment? writings or writing? :-)

Definitely "writing". An author might refer to books that he wrote as "writings", but it would sound odd (or even pretentious) for anyone to refer to their posts on HN that way. Besides, you're not really asking about your previous posts, but about your ability to write English in general. So it's your "writing" (in general) rather than your "writings" (the particular posts you've made here).

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