Re:Alan Kay: The computer revolution hasn't happened yet
by tapostrophemo on Monday November 12, 2007 @01:44AM
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Does it seem to anybody else that we've actually stagnated instead of moved the field of computing forward during the last 10 years? Sure, machines are faster, we've got more bandwitdth, etc., but we're still "automating" stuff, rather than transcending the "pink plane".
Or, is it just that I've spent too much time at the dayjob, hacking Java together to make the customer happy?
Re:Alan Kay: The computer revolution hasn't happened yet
by david927 on Monday November 12, 2007 @04:26AM
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Completely stagnated. In another great quote from Alan Kay he says, "Java and C++ make you think that the new ideas are like the old ones. Java is the most distressing thing to hit computing since MS-DOS."
I think it was the demand/money. Once the PC revolution hit, there was so much to do just to automate current processes that we got lost in the workload. It doesn't help that our industry is both woefully ignorant of its past and horribly dogmatic about its present.
That said, there are some very good people currently working in this space -- looking for the "pink plane". I'm very optimistic about this area actually.
Re:Alan Kay: The computer revolution hasn't happened yet
by david927 on Thursday November 15, 2007 @06:20AM
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Yes, I meant the blue plane. (It's an old presentation -- I didn't watch it again -- but an important one.)
The people are: Alan Kay himself, Charles Simonyi, and a company I'm affiliated with called Anemach. They each have very different approaches and we'll just have to wait and see what comes next.
Re:Alan Kay: The computer revolution hasn't happened yet
by NickSmith on Sunday November 11, 2007 @09:36AM
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"OOP to me means only messaging, local retention and protection and hiding of state-process, and extreme late-binding of all things. It can be done in Smalltalk and in LISP. There are possibly other systems in which this is possible, but I'm not aware of them."... Alan Kay 2003
Re:Alan Kay: The computer revolution hasn't happened yet
by iamwil on Sunday November 11, 2007 @09:00AM
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I thought his style of presentation had much to improve on, but it shed new light on what he intended with smalltalk. Apparently, encapsulation was only really one small part of his whole idea.
Re:Alan Kay: The computer revolution hasn't happened yet
by mattjaynes on Sunday November 11, 2007 @07:14AM
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Wow, just watched this. Really fascinating talk - especially his points about the wonders of scalable computation in biology and how clunky man-made computation seems in comparison so far. Definitely worth the watch.
Or, is it just that I've spent too much time at the dayjob, hacking Java together to make the customer happy?
I think it was the demand/money. Once the PC revolution hit, there was so much to do just to automate current processes that we got lost in the workload. It doesn't help that our industry is both woefully ignorant of its past and horribly dogmatic about its present.
That said, there are some very good people currently working in this space -- looking for the "pink plane". I'm very optimistic about this area actually.
I'm curious; who are these people? What are they working on? Can I help?
The people are: Alan Kay himself, Charles Simonyi, and a company I'm affiliated with called Anemach. They each have very different approaches and we'll just have to wait and see what comes next.
http://userpage.fu-berlin.de/~ram/pub/pub_jf47ht25Ht/doc_kay...
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=78364
I think this particular post sums up his ideas in his presentation. Also, watch it with 1997 in mind. That's why he rails against MS so much.
But, he's still so influential that he can't be ignored.
E pur si muove