Re:Object-Relational Mapping is the Vietnam of Computer Science
by jhancock on Sunday August 23, 2009 @04:11PM
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The arguments in Atwood's and Neward's articles stand well on their own. The war analogy is there as link bait.
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Re:Object-Relational Mapping is the Vietnam of Computer Science
by wyw on Sunday August 23, 2009 @04:17PM
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If anyone could be accused of linkbaiting it would be Neward since he wrote the original article titled "The Vietnam of Computer Science". But I think it's less useful to think of the war analogy as linkbait than as a didactic tool to bring attention to aspects of ORM use that Neward wished to highlight. Creating effective analogies is the same strategy used by good teachers the world over.
Re:Object-Relational Mapping is the Vietnam of Computer Science
by jhancock on Sunday August 23, 2009 @04:55PM
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The first thing wrong with this title is the article is about "software engineering", not "computer science". The second thing wrong is engineering is a discipline that teaches you about trade-offs, costs, and finding balance in your solutions.
I had excellent engineering teachers. Never once did they compare the tough problems we were solving to Vietnam.
Re:Object-Relational Mapping is the Vietnam of Computer Science
by wyw on Sunday August 23, 2009 @05:10PM
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Maybe they didn't compare tough problems to Vietnam but my point was that good teachers often have a knack for translating difficult-to-grasp abstract concepts into the familiar and the concrete. Some people look down on such teachers and accuse them of dumbing things down. I would say on the contrary that the job of a teacher is exactly to dumb things down.
Re:Object-Relational Mapping is the Vietnam of Computer Science
by fauigerzigerk on Sunday August 23, 2009 @05:12PM
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The Vietnam analogy is bad in many respects but I can see where they're coming from. ORM was a battlefield, many faught hard (including myself) and ended up walking way disgusted and defeated at the same time.
Re:Object-Relational Mapping is the Vietnam of Computer Science
by wyw on Sunday August 23, 2009 @05:27PM
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In what respects is the Vietnam analogy less meaningful than the rather banal battlefield analogy that you just made?
Re:Object-Relational Mapping is the Vietnam of Computer Science
by fauigerzigerk on Sunday August 23, 2009 @05:46PM
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I didn't mean to say that it was less meaningful. My battlefield was meant to be a Vietnam battlefield, not some alternative or better analogy. I'm defending Neward's analogy up to a point. Any war analogy of course misses the humanitarian horror that is a war. That's why it's always a problematic analogy as well.