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Re:Ask HN: Why don't we pay our rent online? by cperciva on Friday August 21, 2009 @02:56PM (#778191)
Why don't we pay our rent online?

Probably because the US banking system is about 30 years behind the rest of the world. Outside of the USA, people pay their rent via bank transfer all the time.

Re:Ask HN: Why don't we pay our rent online? by daleharvey on Friday August 21, 2009 @03:07PM (#778213)
I was slightly confused by the question, Ive been paying rent online for 4/5 years now (UK)

and I honestly thought our banking system was pretty archaic

Re:Ask HN: Why don't we pay our rent online? by movix on Friday August 21, 2009 @04:13PM (#778355)
Another confused UK resident... are you saying that there's no system in place in the US to automatically do a direct debit when your rent is due?? Surely not, there must be.
Re:Ask HN: Why don't we pay our rent online? by ramoq on Friday August 21, 2009 @03:09PM (#778216)
Yes it would be prudent to mention this question pertains to us North Americans :)
Re:Ask HN: Why don't we pay our rent online? by fburnaby on Saturday August 22, 2009 @08:21PM (#780006)
Just Americans. I'm in Canada paying my rent online.
Re:Ask HN: Why don't we pay our rent online? by noss on Friday August 21, 2009 @03:17PM (#778231)
Anyone have an explanation why that is so? I mean it is one thing to blame the banks, but new banks could start with better technology usage. Customers don't want it? Companies billing people don't want it?

It seems like there is some kind of startup idea here. I don't know which. I just know I'd hate to handle cheques as a business owner, or myself mail in cheques using postal services, or stand in line at a bank to pay my bills.

I have a theory that government-owned banks had the "market share" for their system that it was worth it for private companies to implement that system. While in a more privatized bank system it is not worth to implement a system from one bank that only a fraction of your customers have access to.

Re:Ask HN: Why don't we pay our rent online? by ramoq on Friday August 21, 2009 @03:03PM (#778202)
It's absolutely archaic that I have to wait for my landlord and either give him cash/check in hand every month. This needs to be fixed!

Why can't I pay my rent with my credit card?

Re:Ask HN: Why don't we pay our rent online? by cperciva on Friday August 21, 2009 @03:14PM (#778227)
Why can't I pay my rent with my credit card?

Because, as you point out, credit cards have large transaction fees. This is an inevitable consequence of it being a "pull" payment mechanism.

If you want to fix the paying-rent problem, you need to convince US banks to provide an efficient "push" mechanism for payments such as exists in the rest of the world -- i.e., a way that you can tell your bank "send $X to account number 12345 at bank number 6789".

Re:Ask HN: Why don't we pay our rent online? by burnout1540 on Friday August 21, 2009 @03:59PM (#778320)
Are the U.S. wire transfer systems (the Federal Reserve Wire Network and the Clearing House Interbank Payments System) not efficient? I know that banks charge a lot for customers to wire money to other accounts outside of that bank but I'm not sure whether that is a byproduct of an inefficient system or just a result of greedy banks.

Do other countries have regulations that prevent banks from charging large sums for wire transfers?

Re:Ask HN: Why don't we pay our rent online? by there on Friday August 21, 2009 @04:04PM (#778333)
i still don't understand why bank transfers take as long as they do.

for me to transfer money electronically from one of my checking accounts to the other, it takes maybe 5 days to process and clear. yet if i physically drive to one bank, withdraw the same amount in cash, then drive to the other bank and deposit it, it clears on both sides within a day.

Re:Ask HN: Why don't we pay our rent online? by burnout1540 on Friday August 21, 2009 @04:18PM (#778373)
Check clearing is ridiculous as well. Congress passed the Check 21 bill to make checks clear faster and prevent people from "floating" checks.

Of course, now banks electronically clear the checks very quickly but take another week or so to actually deposit the money into the client's bank account. During this time they make money off of your money without you having any access to it. It's ridiculous.

Re:Ask HN: Why don't we pay our rent online? by vikram on Sunday August 23, 2009 @08:08PM (#781240)
In uk most banks now transfer money within 2 hours.
Re:Ask HN: Why don't we pay our rent online? by trin_ on Friday August 21, 2009 @05:35PM (#778531)
i actually pay all my fees (rent,internet/phone,energy,gas,mobile ...) via automated wiring (in germany you call it "lastschrift"). i can't imagine the hassle of doing this manually each month.