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Re:Space Hackers Prepare to Reboot 35-Year-Old Spacecraft by jgrahamc on Tuesday May 20, 2014 @09:49AM (#7772497)
That's great.

Now, who wants to join me in trying to talk to Britain's only self-launched (i.e. launched with our own rocket) satellite: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prospero_(satellite)? Most of the documentation is in the National Archive (I have copies).

Re:Space Hackers Prepare to Reboot 35-Year-Old Spacecraft by jacquesm on Tuesday May 20, 2014 @10:24AM (#7772665)
That's extremely interesting. The frequency band is well within what you could do with fairly simple gear. Assuming it is still alive just reaching it would already be quite something, getting some useful readings from it would be absolutely awesome.

This may be something where talking to the HAM community will be more productive than talking to the hacker community, the first step would be to reliably track it using an antenna suitable for the frequency range and checking if it is emitting anything at all before attempts to contact it would make much sense (once you have a signal to home in on it is a lot easier to prod it rather than to prod blindly until something responds).

Keep in mind that this frequency band is not exactly unlicensed territory, you're smack in the mobile aeronautical band according to ofcom. So listening is likely ok but you may need a permit to transmit at that frequency and it is not necessarily the same frequency at which the satellite will receive it's input (typically it is some other frequency to enable full-duplex).

Re:Space Hackers Prepare to Reboot 35-Year-Old Spacecraft by andyjohnson0 on Tuesday May 20, 2014 @10:48AM (#7772790)
The amateur and academic radio astronomy community may have suitable antennas. Do HAM radio operators use dishes? I thought they use mainly vertical/dipole setups?
Re:Space Hackers Prepare to Reboot 35-Year-Old Spacecraft by jacquesm on Tuesday May 20, 2014 @10:53AM (#7772821)
Sure they do. In fact, the microwave band was used for the longest time by HAMs because there was no known application for it, they pretty much pioneered it and dishes were the antennas of choice for those frequencies.

http://www.g3pho.free-online.co.uk/microwaves/history.htm

Doing a 1/4 wave trackable parabolic dish for something a little under 3m wavelength is very much achievable (and is not even close to microwave frequencies, 3m is huge!). If you want better efficiency you could use a larger dish but I think that it would be easier to up the power on the transmitter than it would be to make a dish 4 times that surface that rigidly tracks an object in LEO. That's quite the little bit of hardware engineering you'd have to do there. Even a few degrees 'off' would likely ruin the signal so precision is key and a large dish catches a lot of wind.

The amateur radio bands go all the way to 1mm:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_radio_frequency_allocat...

Re:Space Hackers Prepare to Reboot 35-Year-Old Spacecraft by andyjohnson0 on Tuesday May 20, 2014 @10:27AM (#7772685)
Assuming you're serious, what kind of equipment and knowledge would be needed?

According to the wiki page a team at UCL was planning to try, but the link to Roger Duthie's blog is dead. Any idea if they achieved anything?

Update:

Missing blog post content is at [1], courtesy of archive.org. Looks like they built some comms hardware. The full series of posts relating to Prospero is at [2]. Interesting read.

[1] http://web.archive.org/web/20121026003633/http://blogs.ucl.a...

[2] http://web.archive.org/web/20121026003618/http://blogs.ucl.a...

Re:Space Hackers Prepare to Reboot 35-Year-Old Spacecraft by jgrahamc on Tuesday May 20, 2014 @11:36AM (#7773120)
Assuming you're serious

Yes, but have not found anyone who is also serious and also need some funds to pay for necessary equipment.

The National Archives has lots of good stuff about Prospero, including:

"Operational control of Prospero": http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?ur...

Re:Space Hackers Prepare to Reboot 35-Year-Old Spacecraft by jacquesm on Tuesday May 20, 2014 @11:53AM (#7773233)
How much money do you think you need? A few private donations level or kickstarter level?

Consider just raising some prize money and then announcing a race for the first group to have confirmed contact with the satellite, and get out of the way?

Re:Space Hackers Prepare to Reboot 35-Year-Old Spacecraft by jgrahamc on Tuesday May 20, 2014 @12:00PM (#7773273)
More than money I need expertise. Although I have an amateur license I'd like to work on it with someone who is experienced with AMSAT type work.

Also, I would prefer not to do the race as the real motivator for me is the thrill of doing it and the fun of learning about how it was done.

It probably could be done as a Kickstarter and I'm guessing for the low £1,000s (radio, antenna, probably some interesting pre-amp/filter stuff).

Re:Space Hackers Prepare to Reboot 35-Year-Old Spacecraft by jacquesm on Tuesday May 20, 2014 @12:14PM (#7773368)
Ok, consider yourself funded for 250 pounds, who else would like to chip in?

I'm really really rusty on VHF, do not have any required licenses and all my HAM contacts have dried up due to old age so that's pretty much all I think I can help with. The most I did in hardware terms in the last 6 months was to make an old Unitra grammophone work again, not quite in the right league :).

Re:Space Hackers Prepare to Reboot 35-Year-Old Spacecraft by jgrahamc on Tuesday May 20, 2014 @12:52PM (#7773598)
Thanks for that. Good to know I'm not alone in thinking that talking to that satellite would be awesome.
Re:Space Hackers Prepare to Reboot 35-Year-Old Spacecraft by jacquesm on Tuesday May 20, 2014 @01:06PM (#7773708)
Mail me your IBAN please and I'll wire you the money, maybe do an official call-out for this project on your blog? That might get you some more help and/or funding. I really hope that you get this done, beware that there are a number of other satellites transmitting on the exact same frequency.
Re:Space Hackers Prepare to Reboot 35-Year-Old Spacecraft by novaleaf on Tuesday May 20, 2014 @09:09PM (#7776195)
i suggest you contact the guys in the story about a potential follow up project.
Re:Space Hackers Prepare to Reboot 35-Year-Old Spacecraft by jacquesm on Tuesday May 20, 2014 @10:39AM (#7772738)
It's in LEO so you'll need something like this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7b/Parabolic...

And a suitable radio set for 'stage 1' (find the thing), and then a suitable transmitter and some modem (probably doable using a SDR or even an audio card connected to the transceiver) to actually talk to it.

Re:Space Hackers Prepare to Reboot 35-Year-Old Spacecraft by Serow225 on Tuesday May 20, 2014 @12:15PM (#7773372)
That looks like a smaller version of a Malibu tracking dish that I've used :)
Re:Space Hackers Prepare to Reboot 35-Year-Old Spacecraft by drzaiusapelord on Tuesday May 20, 2014 @02:39PM (#7774337)
Interesting, never heard of it before. Small photo gallery below:

http://cargocollective.com/ORBIT-OFFSITE_DOWLATSHAHI/Prosper...

I love the design of the Black Arrow rocket. It looks like something out of a 1950's sci-fi movie.

Also, looks like someone beat you to the punch back in 2011:

http://www.pe0sat.vgnet.nl/satellite/sat-history/prospero/

Re:Space Hackers Prepare to Reboot 35-Year-Old Spacecraft by sean-duffy on Tuesday May 20, 2014 @03:27PM (#7774647)
I have to agree with you about the Black Arrow - here in the museum in Liverpool is one of the Black Knight rockets which were the test vehicles the Black Arrow was based on. I think the design of the Black Knight is even more fantastical, it intrigued ever me since I went to the museum as a child.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/Black_Kni...

Re:Space Hackers Prepare to Reboot 35-Year-Old Spacecraft by jgrahamc on Tuesday May 20, 2014 @02:45PM (#7774381)
That person appears to have listened to ORBCOMM not Prospero and did not send any commands.
Re:Space Hackers Prepare to Reboot 35-Year-Old Spacecraft by drzaiusapelord on Tuesday May 20, 2014 @02:49PM (#7774407)
Hmm, sounds like he heard something on 148.000 MHz which seems to be its control frequency. Nope, he didn't send any commands. I wonder if sending commands without permission would violate some treaty or law.
Re:Space Hackers Prepare to Reboot 35-Year-Old Spacecraft by rdl on Wednesday May 28, 2014 @01:06AM (#7808497)
Sounds interesting; I used to run a commercial satellite network but all my gear is C/Ku/Ka. If you want to try to work it from SFBA could be fun.