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Re:Thoughts on Martini – Introducing Negroni by dscrd on Tuesday May 20, 2014 @12:08AM (#7771209)
I've used Martini a bit and also tried some of the other frameworks (beego and revel) and I really don't see what makes people call Martini especially non-Gooey in comparison.

The reality is, when your language is as weak as Go (in terms of advanced features), a framework with any sort of significant features will be quite dynamic and "magic".

Re:Thoughts on Martini – Introducing Negroni by enneff on Tuesday May 20, 2014 @02:07AM (#7771398)
Except that's obviously not the case, considering he just announced Negroni, an idiomatic ("non-magical") library that provides the key feature of Martini.
Re:Thoughts on Martini – Introducing Negroni by dscrd on Tuesday May 20, 2014 @02:29AM (#7771435)
...which has even less features than Martini.
Re:Thoughts on Martini – Introducing Negroni by enneff on Tuesday May 20, 2014 @02:34AM (#7771446)
Because it doesn't need them. There are more polished versions of those features elsewhere, and they can be composed easily with Negroni as they all use the same interfaces.

I thought your point was about the necessity of magic in a web framework. The most magical thing about Martini was its dependency injection approach, which Negroni provides in an idiomatic way.

Unless you're saying that it's the magic that makes a framework a framework, as opposed to just a collection of libraries. That makes sense, because the magical approach of Martini (for example) does, in a sense, lock you in to using Martini. This makes it more like the monolithic web frameworks you mention.

Re:Thoughts on Martini – Introducing Negroni by cronos on Tuesday May 20, 2014 @02:28AM (#7771433)
Did you try comparing any of those to stdlib? I didn't hear people claiming that any of those you listed is idiomatic Go.