Re:The perfect shape
by colanderman on Friday May 16, 2014 @11:59PM
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Oh, I've heard this one before. Then the physicist fills a balloon with water and sticks a straw in it, proclaiming it a dynamically optimal system (in the absence of gravity); and finally the engineer sprays foam insulation on a glass jar and calls it a day.
Re:The perfect shape
by colordrops on Saturday May 17, 2014 @01:25AM
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Interesting, this shape matches exactly the yogurt jars sold on the streets in Beijing. They need to remain cool without refrigeration for long periods of time.
Re:The perfect shape
by dpiers on Saturday May 17, 2014 @12:27PM
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A liquid container designed to keep its contents cool as long as possible? Sounds like a the job for a dewar flask. I've left drinks out in this overnight and they were still cold in the morning:
Re:The perfect shape
by jameshart on Saturday May 17, 2014 @09:22AM
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Take this shape, minimize thermal conductivity to its surroundings but enable it to stand safely on a flat surface, and what you have got is a stemmed wine glass.
Re:The perfect shape
by nine_k on Saturday May 17, 2014 @12:52AM
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I'd notice that this must also describe the best shape of a glass to keep a beverage hot. But, unlike shot glasses, tea and coffee cups look very different.
Re:The perfect shape
by joaquintides on Saturday May 17, 2014 @11:11AM
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As you correctly point out the problem is entirely symmetrical to that of keeping a hot beverage as hot as possible. If we take the different problem of trying to cool a hot beverage, the optimum, pathological solution would be a glass with 0 height and infinite width --studying this problem with the additional constraint that width be limited to some predefined value might make for an interesting followup article.
Re:The perfect shape
by Someone on Saturday May 17, 2014 @12:09PM
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I would add the constraint that the surface is convex, too. Without that, one could build some 3D fractal, and get infinite area for any given volume.
Alternatively, complicate things by taking the width of the glass into account or model convection more realistically (a square meter of glass close to other glass of similar temperature will not lose much heat)
Re:The perfect shape
by maho on Saturday May 17, 2014 @09:00AM
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I guess that the ratio h_open/h_closed is much bigger for hot beverages, due to evaporative cooling. Of course, this would mean that the optimum shape is even thinner than those that were calculated.
But maybe the shape of tee-cups and coffee mugs is optimal, in its own way? I certainly appreciate that beverages that need quite high temperatures for brewing are cooled down quickly to a drinkable temperature.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B004NBXR98/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=...
https://shop.funraniumlabs.com/products/665ml-fmj-textured-v...
If you want a glass that doesn't tip over easily, this isn't so great.
Theory versus practice. The best entrepreneurs are able to see past the theory and grapple with practical considerations.
http://www.nisbets.co.uk/Arcoroc-Excalibur-Grand-Cuvee-Glass...
Alternatively, complicate things by taking the width of the glass into account or model convection more realistically (a square meter of glass close to other glass of similar temperature will not lose much heat)
But maybe the shape of tee-cups and coffee mugs is optimal, in its own way? I certainly appreciate that beverages that need quite high temperatures for brewing are cooled down quickly to a drinkable temperature.