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Re:Can This Web Be Saved? Mozilla Accepts DRM, and We All Lose by azakai on Wednesday May 14, 2014 @07:11PM (#7747048)
> Mozilla has no real power over the web. Google, Microsoft, and Apple have the power (look at the names associated with EME DRM - what a surprise).

That's not right either. It's the users that have the power. Users can pick which browsers they use and which sites they visit.

There was essentially no boycott of EME-shipping browsers (Chrome and Internet Explorer). That shows that we, the people on the internet, did not care enough to fight EME.

EME isn't fought by talking about it and hoping someone like Mozilla will kill it. We would have had to actually do something ourselves, and a successful boycott of Chrome and Internet Explorer would have killed EME very effectively.

Re:Can This Web Be Saved? Mozilla Accepts DRM, and We All Lose by wolfgke on Wednesday May 14, 2014 @07:50PM (#7747224)
> There was essentially no boycott of EME-shipping browsers (Chrome and Internet Explorer).

Or most users weren't aware of their choices. Mozilla could have campaigned to make users aware of it and go back to Firefox. Instead they chose the other direction. :-(

Re:Can This Web Be Saved? Mozilla Accepts DRM, and We All Lose by azakai on Wednesday May 14, 2014 @08:07PM (#7747288)
It's hard to mobilize people. There were top stories here on HN about EME when Chrome and Internet Explorer started to ship it, it did get a lot of attention, and HN is a pretty good place for internet activism. But even here, basically nothing happened.

I've talked about this for a long time and tried to convince people about it. People just don't seem to care. I'm surprised at how much attention this is getting now, all of a sudden!

Re:Can This Web Be Saved? Mozilla Accepts DRM, and We All Lose by gress on Wednesday May 14, 2014 @07:55PM (#7747238)
Given that most Chrome users installed it because of the deal with flash or advertising on the Google home page, and updates are silent, it's safe to assume very few of them have any idea what is being introduced or when or what the implications are.
Re:Can This Web Be Saved? Mozilla Accepts DRM, and We All Lose by couchand on Wednesday May 14, 2014 @08:34PM (#7747381)
That's pretty much Google's business model, as it was for Microsoft before them: get more market share by making it just a little bit harder to use your competitors.