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Re:TextSecure's Private Group Messaging by higherpurpose on Monday May 05, 2014 @07:40PM (#7702007)
Google gets the metadata? That's news to me. I thought the metadata was encrypted by the TextSecure server?
Re:TextSecure's Private Group Messaging by droopyEyelids on Tuesday May 06, 2014 @12:26AM (#7702834)
Every network that carries your communication gets the metadata.

In this case, it seems like that metadata would 'just' be the time you sent and received messages from the server. Depending on how Google's push protocol works.

So for the average person that would be fine, but if you were seriously annoying a government that was in bed with your phone company, they could probably figure out who was a part of your cell by the timing of your sent and received messages.

Re:TextSecure's Private Group Messaging by phaer on Monday May 05, 2014 @07:47PM (#7702039)
I don't know, but I would have guessed that Google needs to know when it should deliver a message and where it should go, no? That is metadata in my definition.
Re:TextSecure's Private Group Messaging by jlund on Monday May 05, 2014 @08:38PM (#7702218)
GCM payloads are fully encrypted. Google would be able to tell that you are a TextSecure user who is receiving a message, but they cannot tell who the message is coming from nor can they look at its contents (obviously).
Re:TextSecure's Private Group Messaging by avn2109 on Tuesday May 06, 2014 @01:27AM (#7702983)
But crucially, this will still be vulnerable to timing attacks, if I'm not mistaken.
Re:TextSecure's Private Group Messaging by tptacek on Tuesday May 06, 2014 @02:06AM (#7703047)
What's the specific timing attack you're considering here?
Re:TextSecure's Private Group Messaging by nialo on Tuesday May 06, 2014 @07:12AM (#7703714)
There may not be the traditional byte at a time comparison type timing attack, but maybe this is still vulnerable to timing correlation attacks in the same sense that tor is. That is, Google or someone monitoring Google's network can look at all the messages and see who is talking to whom by matching up timing and encrypted message bodies.
Re:TextSecure's Private Group Messaging by e12e on Wednesday May 07, 2014 @03:25AM (#7709006)
I'm guessing: I send a message, you receive a message -> possible to infer (with some confidence) that I messaged you?

(I don't know if that would be feasible, but I suppose that's what avn2109 meant).

[ie: not a timing attack, but traffic analysis]

Re:TextSecure's Private Group Messaging by avn2109 on Monday May 12, 2014 @08:24PM (#7736083)
Good point. I did indeed mean traffic analysis, not "timing attack."