Snowden: Why hasn’t DNI Clapper been punished for lying to Congress?

Re:Snowden: Why hasn’t DNI Clapper been punished for lying t... by jjoonathan on Friday May 02, 2014 @11:21AM (#7686204)

They aren't. They wouldn't even be controversial at the EFF.

The controversy stems from cost/benefit judgements on individual spy programs AND from the fact that Clapper perjured himself in front of congress and the american people. The latter is a far more clearcut issue than the former, and it's what we were talking about before the lawyer came in and changed the subject.

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Re:Snowden: Why hasn’t DNI Clapper been punished for lying t... by bediger4000 on Friday May 02, 2014 @11:39AM (#7686331)

Has there been any cost/benefit analysis on any of the spy programs that Snowden's leaks have revealed? It doesn't look like it to me. For instance, it should also be uncontroversial that universal surveillance only ends up with an intimidated, fearful citizenry, and a total lack of innovation, but oh well. For those reasons alone, we should probably start out against universal or dragnet surveillance.

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Re:Snowden: Why hasn’t DNI Clapper been punished for lying t... by tptacek on Saturday May 03, 2014 @02:18PM (#7691805)

Wait, I don't understand how you can simultaneously believe that the NSA has actually built an apparatus of universal surveillance and that universal surveillance leads to an intimidated citizenry and total lack of innovation.

Which is it? Is the NSA restrained in their surveillance, or does surveillance not actually ruin innovation?

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