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Re:Programming Language Popularity Statistics by carpal on Tuesday November 06, 2007 @09:40AM (#76587)
The thing that's wrong with most of these statistics is that it doesn't measure popularity. In my mind, popularity is "What is most new development being done in RIGHT NOW." These are more a measure of "What is the sum total of all development for the past 10 years" (About the time that things started showing up on the Internet, and the minimum threshold for most programming books, etc).

Things like Internet search results and job listings are always going to be lagging indicators of programming language popularity. Job search results are lagging because even if most new development is being done in, say, Ruby, it'll take years for the active codebase (that needs to be maintained) to catch up to C or Java. Internet search results are similar- even if 10x more new articles are being written about Ruby, it'll take an incredibly long amount of time to catch up to the massive total that Java has accumulated over time.

What I'd be more interested in is the deltas between each of these statistics on a monthly basis.

Re:Programming Language Popularity Statistics by davidw on Tuesday November 06, 2007 @09:43AM (#76588)
BTW, I read the comments both here and on programming.reddit.com... So I guess I'll just link to my answer there:

http://programming.reddit.com/info/5zxpv/comments/c02e6ye

Re:Programming Language Popularity Statistics by davidw on Tuesday November 06, 2007 @05:34AM (#76542)
This is my latest weekend project, updating some work I did a while ago.
Re:Programming Language Popularity Statistics by thomasfl on Tuesday November 06, 2007 @07:28AM (#76555)
Great work. Over time, some graphs to visualize popularity trends would be nice too. A good supplement to the TIOBE index: http://www.tiobe.com/index.htm?tiobe_index
Re:Programming Language Popularity Statistics by davidw on Tuesday November 06, 2007 @08:02AM (#76558)
Yep, trends are planned, but I need the data first:-) I'll add a trends graph in a month or two.
Re:Programming Language Popularity Statistics by mmp on Tuesday November 06, 2007 @10:46AM (#76610)
Very interesting work. Could results on 'C++' or 'C#' also appear as results for 'C' though? Or is the search strict enough for that not to happen?
Re:Programming Language Popularity Statistics by brianr on Tuesday November 06, 2007 @11:08PM (#76912)
From the page:

""C" named languages are something of a problem. Queries for "C" tend to return results for C# and C++ as well. One way of dealing with this would be to run queries like this: C -C# -C++, however, that unfairly penalizes pages that contain discussions of both C and C++."

Re:Programming Language Popularity Statistics by DanielBMarkham on Tuesday November 06, 2007 @09:49AM (#76592)
I know 8 out of the top 10 languages. Not bad.

Of course, I'm also learning the language that's on the bottom of the list. Go Ocaml!

Nice work. It was especially interesting to was Haskell jump out of the back of the pack to #2 when moving to a more academic crowd.

I'm not sure the data has any meaning at all in the real world. In a similar vein, if you did this same exercise for presidential candidates Ron Paul is likely to look a lot better than his poll numbers show. There is a difference between what people talk about and what people do. You can only take implicit data so far. But it certainly makes for some nice graphs to add to a powerpoint deck, and I'd love to see trend information.

Re:Programming Language Popularity Statistics by cellis on Tuesday November 06, 2007 @05:53PM (#76796)
>> I know 8 out of the top 10 languages. Not bad.

dude, come on. I think most people here could say that.

Re:Programming Language Popularity Statistics by DanielBMarkham on Tuesday November 06, 2007 @06:35PM (#76815)
Yeah that sounded bad. Sorry about that. I'm just happy I've got that many nailed. I don't think I'm going to do the other two. Instead, I'm moving down to some of the more interesting ones.

Do you really think most readers have 8 languages under their belt, with real, live, production systems written in them? It would be interesting to put on an AskYC question. I don't know the answer one way or another. For some reason I kind of thought most of the readers, while super hot on the technology, were newer to the party than that.

Re:Programming Language Popularity Statistics by cellis on Tuesday November 06, 2007 @07:27PM (#76840)
right on. Its no problem.

Perhaps I was mistaken. I took your saying "I know" to mean "I have coded in each of these languages and could do something in each if I had to", instead of "I would be comfortable in a programming environment with any of these languages".

My bad.

btw I actually am trying out SICP right now, despite my C# leanings.

Re:Programming Language Popularity Statistics by DanielBMarkham on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @05:53AM (#76964)
Looks awesome! If I wasn't trying to pick up OCaml and F# right now I'd jump on it -- one of the problems I'm facing is a lack of good texts. Would be very interested in your opinion of the book and Lisp, especially coming from a C# (like me) background.
Re:Programming Language Popularity Statistics by cellis on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @06:02PM (#77193)
Yeah. I definitely will. I am also giving PLINQ A try. This, all because I am finally realizing that concurrency is the future.
Re:Programming Language Popularity Statistics by DanielBMarkham on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @06:57PM (#77228)
Paralellism is the future. That means, to some degree, functional apps.
Re:Programming Language Popularity Statistics by boucher on Tuesday November 06, 2007 @01:38PM (#76671)
Is the list of languages in the graph the complete list of languages searched for? If so, its not very thorough. For example, Objective-C, which by these same metrics looks at least as popular as Lisp (Freshmeat has 4 times as many Obj-C projects as Lisp projects), is not included.
Re:Programming Language Popularity Statistics by raju on Tuesday November 06, 2007 @08:40AM (#76565)
Very nice. Great work, and very comprehensive. And I agree (please forgive me for repeating this) but seeing trends would be great.

Have you considered other sources, say, Technorati for similar data mining? That may prove to be another way to measure how much people are talking about a language...

Re:Programming Language Popularity Statistics by henning on Tuesday November 06, 2007 @02:53PM (#76720)
Maybe we could convince Demetri Martin to do a Trendspotting segment on the Daily Show about programming languages.
Re:Programming Language Popularity Statistics by davidw on Tuesday November 06, 2007 @08:48AM (#76567)
Yes, getting stats from people's online journals is a good idea for keeping track of people's discussions. Technorati looks like it has a good API, too, so thanks for the suggestion!
Re:Programming Language Popularity Statistics by jsnx on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @04:11AM (#76954)
Noticeably missing were numbers for <$language sucks> and <$language rules>. Job ads definitely count as endorsements, but somehow I don't think of Lambda The Ultimate as a bastion of Java love.
Re:Programming Language Popularity Statistics by brianr on Tuesday November 06, 2007 @11:14PM (#76917)
On the topic of getting access to AdSense data--you can also get keyword prices from yahoo/overture, which are (I believe still) freely available once you sign up for an advertiser account. SEOs and domainers use Yahoo's keyword price data, which is generally assumed to be pretty similar to Google's.
Re:Programming Language Popularity Statistics by davidw on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @02:57AM (#76943)
Now I have to figure out a way to keep people coming back...
Re:Programming Language Popularity Statistics by davidw on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @07:47AM (#76978)
I added a forum that has feeds, so that interested parties can subscribe:

http://forum.langpop.com/forums/1