Re:Ask HN: Idea Sunday
by nileshtrivedi on Sunday April 13, 2014 @11:27PM
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I agree. Breaking down a debate into arguments which have moral and factual premises will be useful. The logical validity of the argument can be automatically enforced. The system wouldn't allow you to make an invalid argument.
Showing people exactly where they disagree would be a huge advancement. I think there are plenty of people who care about the truth and also care to have a consistent worldview in terms of morality.
Re:Ask HN: Idea Sunday
by iambateman on Monday April 14, 2014 @12:20AM
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For me and you, this is true. Unfortunately, INSERT_MAJOR_NEWS_NETWORK is proof that the vast majority of people don't give a shit about logical validity.
I think that the success of sites like Snopes indicates that a significant percentage of people DO care about facts.
We'll never have a situation where 100% of people are 100% fact driven in their belief systems, but maybe the needle might move in the good direction if more tools were available to help the transition.
Different people would indeed have different value systems and also give different degrees of credence to different sources. So the goal would be to end up with a crowdsourced tree of moral & factual claims, and individual users could then decide which claims they agreed or disagreed with to come to their own conclusion on the topic.
(Look up 'argument mapping' for academic exploration of the concept).
My thinking now is that most online political arguments online are really about tribalism, not finding the truth. If you did have users who cared about the truth (and who could consider other viewpoints), you wouldn't need a fancy product: a simple web forum would suffice.
But do drop me an email at [email protected] if you'd like to chat more.