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Re:Work Hard You'll Get There Eventually (hint: no you won't) by sarreph on Saturday April 12, 2014 @09:55AM (#7577825)
There's no real alternative offered here.

I understand there's a whole 'open' and 'small' world out there and I can learn lessons from my peers, but if I'm not supposed to be 'working hard for my boss' in the modern corporate world, what am I supposed to be doing to 'get there eventually'?

Re:Work Hard You'll Get There Eventually (hint: no you won't) by zanny on Saturday April 12, 2014 @12:14PM (#7578233)
If you work hard for your boss they laugh their way to the bank paying you the same flat salary and pocketing the profits of your labors.

To get there eventually (sadly?) you have to plan to get out from under others siphoning your productivity like that. Because the modern corporate culture has shifted to taking advantage of the best, rather than empowering them. Mostly because there is a surplus of (skilled) labor in most industries. If there wasn't, your boss would be treating you better because you are a scarce resource they don't want to lose because its either expensive or time consuming to replace.

And like the article says, "working hard" isn't invaluable.

Re:Work Hard You'll Get There Eventually (hint: no you won't) by tejay on Saturday April 12, 2014 @10:08AM (#7577865)
This appears to be an older post, but I think what the original author meant was that hard work alone isn't a sufficient condition for success (I'd argue it is a necessary one, though).

The real answer is there probably isn't a sufficient condition for success, but hard work in pursuit of your own goals (rather a manager's) increases the likelihood of a positive outcome.

Still, I'd have gone a step further. 'Career' is such a false construction. Go do fun shit and get really good at it. Maybe I'm naively optimistic, but if you're really good at something, it's pretty easy to get paid (a lot) for it.

Re:Work Hard You'll Get There Eventually (hint: no you won't) by dpweb on Saturday April 12, 2014 @11:07AM (#7578033)
"if you're really good at something, it's pretty easy to get paid (a lot) for it."

This is only true in technology and because of the current market in tech labor and skills (and powerful people are working hard to change that).

It's not true for the musician, or many other passions where the reward has to be the work itself because it's hard to make any kind of living at it.

Re:Work Hard You'll Get There Eventually (hint: no you won't) by joostdevries on Saturday April 12, 2014 @12:00PM (#7578179)
Devoting energy solely to building a good impression with your boss is a high risk strategy when bosses and companies aren't very loyal. Building an outside reputation as well using work on open source f.i. hedges that risk and increases your negotiation power.
Re:Work Hard You'll Get There Eventually (hint: no you won't) by danbruc on Saturday April 12, 2014 @10:13AM (#7577884)
Hard work is not important, good results are. That's a very different thing.
Re:Work Hard You'll Get There Eventually (hint: no you won't) by tsenkov on Saturday April 12, 2014 @10:55AM (#7577987)
Winning the lottery is a "good result", without a hard work.

Moving a pile of dirt from one place to another, every day, is hard work without a purpose.

Working hard (and smart) on problems you are passionate about gives you the best chance at succeeding.

And about impressing someone with your work, I have a rule - impress yourself. :)

Re:Work Hard You'll Get There Eventually (hint: no you won't) by jes on Saturday April 12, 2014 @10:27AM (#7577919)
I think hard work is a necessary precursor to good results. Although, that hard work may not be of the kind most people associate with office work of the past.
Re:Work Hard You'll Get There Eventually (hint: no you won't) by danbruc on Saturday April 12, 2014 @10:48AM (#7577964)
Fair point, hard work is not well-defined. I interpreted and meant it in the sense of throwing a lot of working hours at the problem. And I think this is not necessary for good results and may actually be counterproductive in some cases.
Re:Work Hard You'll Get There Eventually (hint: no you won't) by wrongc0ntinent on Saturday April 12, 2014 @10:49AM (#7577969)
For my part, I think so is boredom.
Re:Work Hard You'll Get There Eventually (hint: no you won't) by judk on Saturday April 12, 2014 @10:27AM (#7577920)
That's non-responsive. We know what the deaired outputs are. The question is what are the necessary inputs.
Re:Work Hard You'll Get There Eventually (hint: no you won't) by pekk on Saturday April 12, 2014 @10:51AM (#7577980)
In that case, "more and more hours" is often not a necessary input
Re:Work Hard You'll Get There Eventually (hint: no you won't) by typicalbender on Saturday April 12, 2014 @10:50AM (#7577972)
In the article the author mentions that hard work is table stakes, meaning everyone is working hard but you need to do something different to actually get ahead and stand out among your other hard working peers.
Re:Work Hard You'll Get There Eventually (hint: no you won't) by zenbowman on Saturday April 12, 2014 @01:22PM (#7578444)
Work hard for your boss, but learn to, and intentionally practice communicating your work to a wider audience, so you are not tied to the fate of your boss or company. Speak at meetups, conferences, take an active role in mentoring, and develop meaningful relationships with peers in other companies so that when you want to move, its easy to do so.
Re:Work Hard You'll Get There Eventually (hint: no you won't) by Ixiaus on Saturday April 12, 2014 @01:56PM (#7578559)
Contributing or producing your own oss software too. Writing your thoughts and experiences in a blog our book too.
Re:Work Hard You'll Get There Eventually (hint: no you won't) by blakesterz on Saturday April 12, 2014 @10:01AM (#7577842)
I think there is an alternative offered here, it's just rather buried in there, I had to read it a couple times to find. I think these to bits of advice are pretty good:

"Today, success requires a modern perspective on the industry and actively managing your skills and relationships."

"Your loyalty must lie with your own career in the industry where you've chosen to work."

Re:Work Hard You'll Get There Eventually (hint: no you won't) by phoen on Saturday April 12, 2014 @10:03AM (#7577847)
The dog-eat-dog one-person band?
Re:Work Hard You'll Get There Eventually (hint: no you won't) by analog31 on Saturday April 12, 2014 @10:09AM (#7577870)
In my view, to a considerable extent, the work environment created by following Welch's management methods, turned each of us into a dog-eat-dog one-person-band even within the mainstream organization.
Re:Work Hard You'll Get There Eventually (hint: no you won't) by AdrianRossouw on Saturday April 12, 2014 @10:07AM (#7577858)
no, it's pretty clearly not about that.

It's about being a good co-worker, because that's what gets you ahead in the end.

Re:Work Hard You'll Get There Eventually (hint: no you won't) by AdrianRossouw on Saturday April 12, 2014 @10:05AM (#7577850)
learning, doing, telling people about it.

making friends, finding mentors, teaching others.

I think this is why open source is becoming the new programmer's resume. It is kind of the intersection of all those things.

None of this precludes working hard either, just for who and why you are doing it.