Re:Memories of Steve
by bitL on Friday April 11, 2014 @04:47AM
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It's probably common in technology area that due to Dunning-Kruger effect many super talented engineers have low self-esteem and real-life skills, and are attracted by "magical" personalities, forming narcissist-codependent pairs. I see it all around, it's sad, but unless engineers fix their broken "insides", it's going to happen. It's then pretty logical that the narcissistic part of the pair gets all the fame, spotlight, power, and the co-dependent part gets used, squeezed, depleted and thrown away once not useful.
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Re:Memories of Steve
by snowwrestler on Friday April 11, 2014 @09:05AM
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Many engineers spend their lives struggling to do great work within seemingly arbitrary constraints on budget, timeline, vision, or internal politics. Part of the power of Steve Jobs was that he removed many of those constraints, but in return demanded a very high level of innovation and quality.
Dunning-Kruger is the opposite (when unskilled individuals think of themselves as being much more talented than they actually are).
D-K goes both ways - unskilled think of themselves highly, highly skilled lowly. I often wonder if this is the ultimate joke of the Universe embedded deeply in the fabric of "matrix".
MarkTee is right - DK only goes one way. The other direction is called "Impostor Syndrome". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
Re:Memories of Steve
by CamperBob2 on Saturday April 12, 2014 @01:37PM
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I don't see how it's invalid to argue that they're just two sides of the same coin. If no-talent hacks think they're better than they are, how could the opposite not be true for the same underlying reasons?
Not logically ironclad, of course, but we are talking pop psychology here.
Re:Memories of Steve
by mark_integerdsv on Friday April 11, 2014 @07:51PM
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Is it not possible that what you describe as a two-way parasitic relationship is in fact one of symbiosis?
It`s almost a covalent bond. The same that diamonds are made of.
Re:Memories of Steve
by RivieraKid on Friday April 11, 2014 @12:52PM
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Why is the DK effect mentioned in every second thread here?
Re:Memories of Steve
by ForHackernews on Friday April 11, 2014 @03:10PM
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Because it's a fancy scientific-sounding way for nerds to look down on those stupid jocks who are so dumb they don't even know how dumb they are and thereby buoy our foundering sense of self-esteem.
It's also thrown out as a red herring pretty often around here.
Re:Memories of Steve
by michaelochurch on Friday April 11, 2014 @07:12AM
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It's probably common in technology area that due to Dunning-Kruger effect many super talented engineers have low self-esteem and real-life skills, and are attracted by "magical" personalities, forming narcissist-codependent pairs. I see it all around, it's sad, but unless engineers fix their broken "insides", it's going to happen.
Nailed it. Most of the Silicon Valley hotshots are those who've become extremely adept at exploiting talented people with low self-esteem.