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Re:XWayland in XOrg by shmerl on Sunday April 06, 2014 @02:08PM (#7541854)
Why "years"? KDE and Gnome are close to enabling Wayland support during this year. The only unknown is when proprietary drivers will do it. Apparently Nvidia is working on it. So they might finish this year as well. Things look good so far.
Re:XWayland in XOrg by Spittie on Sunday April 06, 2014 @03:49PM (#7542498)
I want Wayland to ship as soon as possible, I'm looking at the situation in the most "negative" way so that if it ship sooner than I believe, I'll be happy, and if it doesn't, I'll not be sad. (Wayland has been close to shipping for a lot of time now, remember when Shuttleworth wanted to ship it in 12.04 as a developer preview? The good old times when Canonical didn't suffer from NIH).

Gnome should ship with Wayland considered as stable with 3.14, and (as far as I know), there's no plain to ship KDE on Wayland before KDE5. XWayland still need works, and without it no distro will ship Wayland. The proprietary drivers still need to come out (Nvidia might be at work on them already, but for all we know it might still be just some drawing on a blackboard - and let's not forget about AMD, that will probably take quite a bit of time).

Also "normal" distro (Mint, openSUSE, Fedora...) will probably take their time as well to ensure that everything is working. I'd expect to see some kind of experimental preview, then a version with support to both (but with the default still being X) and then a version with Wayland (and an X failback).

Probably I'm just being negative here, and if everything happens faster than how I think it will, then great! Also, probably just a generic "years" feels too much, my expected timeframe is/was 2-3 years.

Re:XWayland in XOrg by shmerl on Sunday April 06, 2014 @03:59PM (#7542540)
KDE5 is coming out in June, but initial release will not support Wayland in KWin. But it should come after as an update. I'm not sure about exact schedules though.

See:

* http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/Plasma/2014.6_Release_Sche...

* http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2014/03/kde5-and-wayla...

Re:XWayland in XOrg by hollerith on Sunday April 06, 2014 @02:15PM (#7541900)
Most users of Linux on the "desktop" are more dependent on a web browser than on KDE or Gnome, so the drivers are not the only unknown.
Re:XWayland in XOrg by shmerl on Sunday April 06, 2014 @02:17PM (#7541913)
GTK and Qt are shaping up well too. Firefox is working on switching to GTK 3. And XWayland can help for those who lag behind.
Re:XWayland in XOrg by hollerith on Sunday April 06, 2014 @02:26PM (#7541967)
Can you point to any commits on the Firefox tree or is your evidence limited to blog posts and mailing-list messages?

There are commits [1] on the Chrome tree designed to get Chrome working on Wayland, but for those commits to reach significant numbers of users will require the cooperation or at least the "non-interference" of the employer of most of the Chrome devs -- which is at this time an unknown.

[1] https://github.com/01org/ozone-wayland/commits/master

Re:XWayland in XOrg by abrowne on Sunday April 06, 2014 @02:49PM (#7542101)
Regarding Firefox Gtk3:

Firefox Bugzilla bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=627699

You can install a build on Fedora via this copr (like a PPA for Fedora): http://copr.fedoraproject.org/coprs/stransky/FirefoxGtk3/

Re:XWayland in XOrg by shmerl on Sunday April 06, 2014 @03:21PM (#7542335)
I think the only remaining problem is Flash. Hopefully Mozilla Shumway will cover that at some point.
Re:XWayland in XOrg by shmerl on Sunday April 06, 2014 @03:23PM (#7542347)
Re:XWayland in XOrg by chronid on Monday April 07, 2014 @03:26AM (#7545080)
Closed NVIDIA/AMD drivers do not implement EGL yet, and that is IIRC a prerequisite for Wayland. That could be a reason, unfortunately.
Re:XWayland in XOrg by shmerl on Tuesday April 08, 2014 @03:04AM (#7551849)