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Re:Venice votes 89% to secede from Italy by anigbrowl on Monday March 24, 2014 @09:42PM (#7463186)
Well there's no way that the writer would ever misrepresent Obama's position with a little hyperbole, is there. the article is of course referring to US condemnation of the sham vote in Crimea. Also, I would like you to show me where the Constitution talks about secession.
Re:Venice votes 89% to secede from Italy by trhway on Monday March 24, 2014 @10:04PM (#7463297)
> the sham vote in Crimea

If you knew the history of this region (or at least last 20+ years) you'd not spent any effort typing the word "sham". Decorating the vote with all the bell and whistles that would supposedly make the vote "legitimate" (as if anything could make such a vote "legitimate" in the western eyes :) would change nothing in the vote's result, so Putin just didn't bother.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_Crimea (very democratic elections result of which was nixed by Ukrainian troops an year later :)

Don't get me wrong, i don't support the annexation. My point here is that trying to play the "sham" card leads nowhere in that situation because it is immaterial.

Re:Venice votes 89% to secede from Italy by anigbrowl on Tuesday March 25, 2014 @01:18AM (#7463975)
I see the point you're making, and I actually think that Crimea ought to be part of Russia if they want to. I feel like Putin overplayed his hand; if they'd stuck with the original notion of having a vote in late April or a bit later (so that there'd be time for both sides to campaign properly) then I think he'd have got the result he wanted anyway. Sending in unmarked troops and then playing dumb about where they got the Russian uniforms was a move less befitting a statesman than a cartoon villain. Not that he cares what I think of him :)
Re:Venice votes 89% to secede from Italy by trhway on Tuesday March 25, 2014 @03:14AM (#7464369)
>Sending in unmarked troops and then playing dumb about where they got the Russian uniforms was a move less befitting a statesman than a cartoon villain. Not that he cares what I think of him :)

exactly. He plays for internal market. And internal audience eats him. 25 years ago, back in USSR, we laughed watching a criminal asking Arnold in Red Heat "Kakie vashi dokazatelstva?" (what are your evidences?) Western mentality is so logical, evidences-shmevidences :) Such an easy target for a showman in Russia performing for Russian audience...

Re:Venice votes 89% to secede from Italy by tptacek on Tuesday March 25, 2014 @01:34AM (#7464044)
Re:Venice votes 89% to secede from Italy by trhway on Tuesday March 25, 2014 @02:57AM (#7464318)
man, this is former USSR. Everybody understands the point of choice between 2 alternatives like:

"Yes, i want to be in Russia"

and

"No, i want to be in Russia"

and that point is that it doesn't matter. You come to the polls, you don't come to the polls - it wouldn't change anything, including the poll results to the 7th digit after the point :) (i'm not saying that this referendum results was cheating - it just happened that no need to cheat here, though Putin wouldn't have any issue with cheating if it was needed - again it just doesn't matter, 90% or whatever would be in any case) It just makes an overall gray routine just a little bit fun.