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Re:Emails From Schmidt And Sergey Brin Show Agreements Not T... by ChuckMcM on Sunday March 23, 2014 @07:43PM (#7455777)
I like "weapons grade stupid" as an adjective but I would not use it with regard to Eric. Eric is actually quite smart and also quite politically savvy. The other folks in this equation made a few missteps.

You can be sued over lots of things, whether or not they have merit, and keeping things verbal is one of the "standard" techniques of defending against that. In this case, were this the only document in the pile, Eric would be in a position to either not recall the conversation he had with Omid, or deny its content. Further he would argue that it is a general state of mind for a CEO that they don't want to create paper trails over anything that could be construed by a litigious opponent as evidence if misdeeds.

The problem in this case is that there is a bunch of other circumstantial evidence that makes it pretty clear that everyone on Google's EMG was on the same page with respect to this particular policy. I note however that Google has yet to settle in the class action, so they may still believe they can defend their position.

That said, the "valley" has always been a really small place with regard to hiring. If you work here for any length of time a tapestry of opinions about you will be formed and those opinions will affect to a larger or smaller degree who offers you work and who doesn't. Is that legal? I don't know. There are folks I have decided to never work with again, and people for whom I would change jobs in a heartbeat. Is my private 'blacklist' and 'whitelist' of good and bad co-workers legal? As a generic engineer? What about now that I'm a VP and perhaps these folks are trying to get a job at my company? Do you know how many people are sued each year because someone suspects (or knows) that they told a potential employer that they personally wouldn't hire them? My point is that people and employment and fuzzy criteria is a fertile ground for lawsuits, so paper trails are always bad.

Re:Emails From Schmidt And Sergey Brin Show Agreements Not T... by kolbe on Monday March 24, 2014 @08:16AM (#7457766)
>> keeping things verbal is one of the "standard" techniques of defending against that

That's all fine and dandy, but what is 'weapons grade stupid' is to not only have the conversation in email, but then to use a key word like 'paper trail' to lead any investigation straight to his conversation. And in that exact email, say WHY he wants it done in-person. I mean, 'paper trail' has to be up there with 'take this offline' and 'this is sooo illegal' for phrases that serve up incriminating evidence on a silver platter to the DOJ.

A non-WGS response would have been, "Come up to my office: we'll discuss further."

Re:Emails From Schmidt And Sergey Brin Show Agreements Not T... by anigbrowl on Monday March 24, 2014 @01:50PM (#7459890)
Indeed. My wife works for a legal discovery company, and this is exactly the sort of thing that plaintiff's attorneys hope to discover when they requests vast troves of corporate documents.
Re:Emails From Schmidt And Sergey Brin Show Agreements Not T... by warmfuzzykitten on Sunday March 23, 2014 @11:23PM (#7456508)
The reference to "sued" leads the conversation astray. Substitute "prosecuted" for "sued" to see the full spectrum of ignorance here. Conspiring with a competitor to fix costs may be deemed a "contract in restraint of trade" under the Sherman Act. The CEO of a company should know this at some fundamental level, under the category of "things that could send me to jail". Yes, most anti-trust violations are settled with fines and only companies are fined, but violations are a felony and can result in individual fines of up to $1 million (written back when this was a lot of money) and, more significantly for Eric Schmidt, in jail terms of up to 10 years.
Re:Emails From Schmidt And Sergey Brin Show Agreements Not T... by ChuckMcM on Monday March 24, 2014 @11:53AM (#7458910)
Well in this particular case Google and the rest have already been prosecuted and fined for the criminal misconduct. The criminal case was settled in 2010, this particular story is really about the on-going civil litigation where Google is named as a defendant in a class action suit. Some of the defendants have already settled.
Re:Emails From Schmidt And Sergey Brin Show Agreements Not T... by fixermark on Monday March 24, 2014 @03:39AM (#7457158)
> That said, the "valley" has always been a really small place with regard to hiring. If you work here for any length of time a tapestry of opinions about you will be formed and those opinions will affect to a larger or smaller degree who offers you work and who doesn't.

Reminds me of another industry-centered town in that part of the country. How do people feel about Silicon Valley becoming the next Hollywood?

Re:Emails From Schmidt And Sergey Brin Show Agreements Not T... by ChuckMcM on Monday March 24, 2014 @03:49PM (#7460921)
Its always been like that, there is a joke that you stop a random person on the street in LA and ask them how their screen play is coming, they will look at you suspiciously and ask "How did you know I was working on a screen play?" and similarly if you ask the random person in the Bay Area how their business plan is coming, they will respond identically.
Re:Emails From Schmidt And Sergey Brin Show Agreements Not T... by cylinder on Wednesday March 26, 2014 @12:19PM (#7474438)
I'm nowhere near his stature but I would absolutely never write anything like that in a corporate email. It's, as parent said, "weapons grade stupid." I don't know how the Chairman of Google cannot understand that everything he writes in email can and will be used against him following discovery in one of the thousands of lawsuits they are facing at any given time.
Re:Emails From Schmidt And Sergey Brin Show Agreements Not T... by jroseattle on Monday March 24, 2014 @09:00AM (#7457923)
No, "weapons grade stupid" is very appropriate in describing Schmidt's email.

I have friends who testified for Microsoft in the DOJ trial in the nineties. Schmidt testified for the DOJ and was well-aware of what happens with corporate email.

He might be smart, but he did a very stupid thing. Whether it amounts to a slip-up or hubris, time will tell.

Re:Emails From Schmidt And Sergey Brin Show Agreements Not T... by yuhong on Sunday March 23, 2014 @08:32PM (#7455947)
Personally, I don't like anti discrimination laws for similar reasons.