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Re:Bill and Melinda Gates Aren’t Leaving Their Kids Billions by downandout on Thursday March 20, 2014 @07:55AM (#7434959)
Let's not get carried away with this - it's pretty disingenuous. Most people are motivated to work, at least in part, because they will starve and be homeless if they don't. I doubt that these kids will ever face the threat of such a fate, regardless of how much they mess up or how lazy they are.

Further, regardless of how much money they are actually left, those children will live billionaire lifestyles for the rest of their lives. Out of security concerns, Bill has likely arranged for bodyguards and ensured that they will be able to travel via private jet for the rest of their lives. The Gates family owns multiple homes, one in Washington being over 50,000 square feet, that will likely stay in the family and where the children would presumably be allowed to stay should they choose.

Hopefully his kids choose to be productive. But the idea behind this - that he is leaving them enough to "do anything they want, but not enough to do nothing" - simply isn't true. They could do nothing and be just fine.

Re:Bill and Melinda Gates Aren’t Leaving Their Kids Billions by thefreeman on Thursday March 20, 2014 @08:26AM (#7435062)
How is it disingenuous. You have presented a bunch of opinions of what you think is going to happen and say that therefore, the statement is false.

The Gates' have billions of dollars. I have seen it stated that each kid will be inheriting something like a million dollars, which yes, is a lot of money, but nowhere near enough money to do nothing for the rest of your life, and a drop in the bucket compared to the family fortune.

Just because you "presume" the family estates, etc., will not be sold for charity despite all of their statements otherwise doesn't make it true.

Re:Bill and Melinda Gates Aren’t Leaving Their Kids Billions by droopybuns on Thursday March 20, 2014 @09:00AM (#7435221)
It has been 5 years since gates formed the giving pledge. In that time, he lost and regained the position as the world's richest man.

This is not supportive of a claim that this is genuine. I'm a little tired of the wealthy bragging about how they are like, totally generous and stuff.

Re:Bill and Melinda Gates Aren’t Leaving Their Kids Billions by tanzam75 on Thursday March 20, 2014 @10:52AM (#7435851)
> IIt has been 5 years since gates formed the giving pledge. In that time, he lost and regained the position as the world's richest man. This is not supportive of a claim that this is genuine.*

Huh?

Bill Gates has most of his wealth in US equities. Thus US stock market returned over 30% last year.

Warren Buffett has almost all of his wealth in Berkshire Hathaway. BRK underperformed the stock market last year.

Carlos Slim has almost all of his wealth in Mexican companies. The Mexican stock market returned -10% last year.

It's not hard to see how Bill Gates increased his wealth relative to his competitors, despite giving away billions of dollars every year.

What's more, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation has given away $30 billion since it was established. Where do you think the money came from? Warren Buffett's contributions have thus far been in the single-digit billions.

If you stop believing in conspiracy theories and try looking at the data, you'll understand the world a lot better.

Re:Bill and Melinda Gates Aren’t Leaving Their Kids Billions by droopybuns on Thursday March 20, 2014 @01:20PM (#7437046)
Please don't lecture me about conspiracy theories or data. Ask yourself why you are being an apologist for this douche.

Here is some raw data for you:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/business_insider/2014/03/06/bill_...

He has continuously increased his wealth, while trying to convince young entrepreneurs to start planning to give away half of their wealth before they are even 30. He started late and he has a pile of money that compounds away at a rate that it has become absurd. He has the audacity to claim that now that he is retired, he is just giving it away.

It is disingenuous and smug for him to start claiming 5 years ago that he's going to start giving away half his money and have him end up with more than cash than when he started. It is an embarassment.

Re:Bill and Melinda Gates Aren’t Leaving Their Kids Billions by tanzam75 on Thursday March 20, 2014 @04:57PM (#7438730)
> Please don't lecture me about conspiracy theories or data. Ask yourself why you are being an apologist for this douche.

It's pretty clear that you're not interested in reaching conclusions by interpreting the data. Rather, you just want to call Bill Gates names, and prefer to cherry-pick the data to do it with.

For example:

> It is disingenuous and smug for him to start claiming 5 years ago that he's going to start giving away half his money and have him end up with more than cash than when he started. It is an embarassment.

First, he started giving away his money a lot more than five years ago. Second, he did not plan to give away half his wealth -- he planned to give away all of it. Third, very few people who've taken the Giving Pledge have seen their wealth decrease. The market has simply performed well recently.

Imagine if Bill Gates followed a strict policy of ending each year with less money as you suggest. Thus, he would give $20 billion in a year in which the markets one go up 30%, and $0 in a year in which the markets fall. This is a terrible way to give out money. Charities would be unable to undertake any long-term projects with that kind of fluctuation.

That is why your criticism of Bull Gates is not only highly misleading, but highly illogical. Philanthropists should hold onto the money in good times, so that they can continue giving in bad times -- precisely when it is most needed.

Re:Bill and Melinda Gates Aren’t Leaving Their Kids Billions by tptacek on Thursday March 20, 2014 @08:26AM (#7435063)
It's not disingenuous. The Gates family could instead choose to direct their fortune to dynastic wealth. Only an imbecile would believe that the children of Bill Gates would face any of the challenges that a poor child in East Saint Louis would. Gates himself said that his children would have the freedom to do "whatever they want" - that's an enormous gift. One his grandchildren might not have, unless his children work for it.
Re:Bill and Melinda Gates Aren’t Leaving Their Kids Billions by bertil on Thursday March 20, 2014 @08:29AM (#7435070)
> Out of security concerns, Bill has likely arranged for bodyguards and ensured that they will be able to travel via private jet for the rest of their lives.

Body guards are no-one’s idea of luxury (I’ve dated someone who had an escort). As for private jets, I’m fairly certain that is part of the things that they won’t get unless they work for it.

> Most people are motivated to work, at least in part, because they will starve and be homeless if they don't.

Interesting take worldwide, but I don’t think this is true for anyone close to Gates' family.

> Hopefully his kids choose to be productive.

The point of the article is precisely to say: they won’t have a choice. He took legally binding steps to make sure that he won't be able to help if they end up in an unacceptable position by their own actions.

Re:Bill and Melinda Gates Aren’t Leaving Their Kids Billions by smartbuttcute on Thursday March 20, 2014 @10:46AM (#7435809)
Gate's kids could always work for the Gate's Foundation. Just being on the board would probably pay well.

Buffet's son is on the board of Berkshire.

Re:Bill and Melinda Gates Aren’t Leaving Their Kids Billions by tanzam75 on Thursday March 20, 2014 @11:11AM (#7435982)
The Gates Foundation does not have a Board. It has Trustees, three of them -- Bill Gates, Melinda Gates, and Warren Buffett. All three positions are unpaid.

As for Berkshire Hathaway, Directors only get paid $3,800 a year.