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Re:Dear founders: Children are not a distraction, they are m... by cylinder on Tuesday March 18, 2014 @06:05PM (#7425353)
How did this rule come about, that you need to own a house before you can have a child?
Re:Dear founders: Children are not a distraction, they are m... by mullingitover on Tuesday March 18, 2014 @06:10PM (#7425390)
You don't. However, having a house, a family, and a retirement fund was a realistic goal in generations past, and it's not really a 'middle class' option anymore.
Re:Dear founders: Children are not a distraction, they are m... by stefan_kendall3 on Tuesday March 18, 2014 @06:26PM (#7425488)
It's not an achievable goal in San Francisco, but not everyone lives in San Francisco.
Re:Dear founders: Children are not a distraction, they are m... by geebee on Tuesday March 18, 2014 @06:59PM (#7425652)
It's semi-achievable in San Francisco. It takes two incomes, and you have to make sacrifices.

In SF, applications developers, dental hygienists, and registered nurses all earn, on average, around 100k a year. Two of them together would together earn about $220k a year in SF. That's workable.

Re:Dear founders: Children are not a distraction, they are m... by aspensmonster on Tuesday March 18, 2014 @07:21PM (#7425771)
>...about $220k a year in SF. That's workable.

That's depressing. Sure, it might be workable too. But depressing. That's a little over a million dollars in FIVE YEARS. Ok ok, one or two more for final take-home pay.

And that's still merely "workable" rather than "Oh boy we've got it made!"

Re:Dear founders: Children are not a distraction, they are m... by stefan_kendall3 on Tuesday March 18, 2014 @08:24PM (#7426062)
If the goal is "Buy and own a house", pulling in $220/year pre-tax probably isn't enough to get the job done. Unless you're living extremely scarcely in the meantime.
Re:Dear founders: Children are not a distraction, they are m... by MartinCron on Tuesday March 18, 2014 @07:09PM (#7425712)
It's very easy to fall into the notion that you need to have ALL of your ducks in a row before having (planned) children. My wife and I called it "the tyranny of the ducks" and eventually learned to push back a bit. In our case, it was not freaking out over putting a car seat in the back of a small 2-door car instead of a big 4-door car.
Re:Dear founders: Children are not a distraction, they are m... by sentenza on Tuesday March 18, 2014 @07:58PM (#7425954)
I find it to be one of the most horrible misconceptions about life that you have to be securely "settled" before having kids. Many older new parents (aruound 35-40) I observe struggle a lot more than we (30) do with raising small children.

People tend to underestimate both the amount of stress that small children are and the gradual reduction of stress capacity that comes with age. You are good at pushing yourself to the limit? That's great. How do you cope with 24/7 low-level stress for months without _any_ break?

My wife and I decided to do the kids thing early in life (relative to other academics) and now are finished with our family planning while yet having to reach any sort of "steady career-path".

Best choice ever.

But I must add that I do this with the strong social safety net of Germany in my back. I'll never be homeless, I'll never go hungry and my children will get an excellent education, _no matter what_.

Re:Dear founders: Children are not a distraction, they are m... by aspensmonster on Tuesday March 18, 2014 @07:32PM (#7425819)
Of all the ducks, I think the number of doors on the car isn't that high on the priority list :P

However, ensuring that you can still afford to pay all the bills for months --or years, preferably-- on end in the event that your source of income disappears... that seems to be the most important of the ducks. Whether it's a home you own or six months' mortgage/rent is just details.

Re:Dear founders: Children are not a distraction, they are m... by MartinCron on Tuesday March 18, 2014 @09:12PM (#7426221)
Of all the ducks, I think the number of doors on the car isn't that high on the priority list :P

Have you ever tried to put an infant car seat in the back of a 1994 Mazda MX-6 coupe? It might change your priority list.

Re:Dear founders: Children are not a distraction, they are m... by aspensmonster on Tuesday March 18, 2014 @06:11PM (#7425398)
I think the meat of the issue is right here:

>It would basically be a choice between having children or having a retirement.

Re:Dear founders: Children are not a distraction, they are m... by analog31 on Tuesday March 18, 2014 @06:34PM (#7425528)
Not necessarily owning a house, but a person at least needs to live in a neighborhood with good schools, which tends to mean paying more for housing.
Re:Dear founders: Children are not a distraction, they are m... by sigzero on Tuesday March 18, 2014 @06:11PM (#7425401)
It isn't a "rule" per se. It is a "nice to have".