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Re:America Has a Black-Market Problem, Not a Drug Problem by gnaritas on Monday March 17, 2014 @08:31PM (#7419133)
Raising the chances of is not at all the same as happened. Excessive speeding can be a civil violation punishable by fines, not jail. Civil infraction != crime.

> If there was a statistical link between a drug and increasing the chance of the user committing violence would you still consider drugs victimless

Yes I would. Consuming drugs never creates a victim, that is an indisputable fact, you cannot victimize yourself. If you commit violence against another person, that's already illegal and already punishable and is a crime regardless of why you did it.

Drug use is not drug abuse and we don't need pre-crime in our world. Punish people who actually do the bad things, not those who might do something bad, otherwise we should start locking up all poor people because they might statistically commit more crimes than the rich. This is a dangerous line of thinking.

Re:America Has a Black-Market Problem, Not a Drug Problem by ianferrel on Monday March 17, 2014 @08:44PM (#7419197)
Is there any action that is potentially dangerous enough that an instance of it in which no one happened to be harmed should be a criminal offense?

Say I walk down the street firing a gun randomly, but I don't strike anyone with a bullet. Civil remedies only?

Re:America Has a Black-Market Problem, Not a Drug Problem by drblast on Monday March 17, 2014 @09:00PM (#7419261)
I think we have laws that cover those cases. Attempted murder not being the same as actual murder even though the only difference might be bad aim and all that.

If by firing randomly you were assured nobody else would be hurt, would anyone still care? The real problem with firing randomly is that you can't ensure nobody will get hurt.

Taking drugs is two steps removed from that. The idea being that by taking drugs, you are more likely to walk down the street firing a gun randomly, therefore a criminal. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

Re:America Has a Black-Market Problem, Not a Drug Problem by AnthonyMouse on Monday March 17, 2014 @09:28PM (#7419392)
> Say I walk down the street firing a gun randomly, but I don't strike anyone with a bullet. Civil remedies only?

Why not? If you are in actual fact endangering people then you are risking the severe criminal penalties that would be imposed if you hit someone. That is enough to deter anyone acting rationally. On the other hand, if you are not deterred because you have somehow ensured that your actions will cause no damage, why should your actions be prohibited?

Re:America Has a Black-Market Problem, Not a Drug Problem by ianferrel on Tuesday March 18, 2014 @08:00PM (#7425961)
Incentives that apply perfectly to rational actors have a pretty poor track record of influencing human behavior in the desired way.
Re:America Has a Black-Market Problem, Not a Drug Problem by gnaritas on Monday March 17, 2014 @11:22PM (#7419861)
Yes. The fact that no one was hurt should make it not a criminal offense, maybe it's still severely punished civilly, but it should not incur being jailed.