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Re:The Omnivore's Delusion: Against the Agri-Intellectuals by encoderer on Monday August 03, 2009 @06:34AM (#738945)
#2... Is that because of how much Corn is grown to feed livestock? Because as I understood it, the largest direct consumer of Nitrogen is Corn?
Re:The Omnivore's Delusion: Against the Agri-Intellectuals by bmj on Monday August 03, 2009 @07:08AM (#738968)
Livestock feeding isn't the only consumer of large amounts of corn. Consider that just about every processed food there is has some measure of corn products in them. Then there's the ethanol industry, too....
Re:The Omnivore's Delusion: Against the Agri-Intellectuals by jrockway on Monday August 03, 2009 @09:09AM (#739102)
This is really only in the US, though, where the government pays more for corn than it's worth on the market. This makes it cheap, and since people want cheap food, "they" have figured out how to put it in everything.

When I go to Europe, the drinks on the flight there are sweetened with HFCS. On the way back, they are sweetened with cane sugar. "Corn in everything" is mostly and American thing. (And we're so healthy because of it!)

Re:The Omnivore's Delusion: Against the Agri-Intellectuals by encoderer on Monday August 03, 2009 @10:00AM (#739195)
Don't kid yourself. It's far from Corn Syrup. Americans eat more Corn than other cultures, but Europeans still eat more corn than you're letting on. Even if there's a metabolism between the corn and your bodies, it's still corn you're eating. The Carbon 4 is still there, it can still be traced.
Re:The Omnivore's Delusion: Against the Agri-Intellectuals by encoderer on Monday August 03, 2009 @09:56AM (#739188)
That's not my question... I understand the prevelance of Corn in just about everything in the supermarket. That's pretty much CW amongst those with a little brains nowadays I'd say.

But the OP said that the amount of naturally occurring Nitrogen is enough to feed 10bn people if we move towards a more vegetarian diet. That is, no need for artificial nitrogen.

Which brought me to my question that Corn is the #1 direct consumer of nitrogen. So unless livestock is consuming an awful lot of Corn, reducing the livestock headcount isn't going to reduce the amount of Corn per se.

Re:The Omnivore's Delusion: Against the Agri-Intellectuals by bmj on Monday August 03, 2009 @10:02AM (#739200)
Which brought me to my question that Corn is the #1 direct consumer of nitrogen. So unless livestock is consuming an awful lot of Corn, reducing the livestock headcount isn't going to reduce the amount of Corn per se.

That's probably true, as the corn industry, at least in the US, will find another consumer for its quantities (since, if Pollan's research is to be believed, the corn industry and the government essentially created and supported the market that exists now).

Re:The Omnivore's Delusion: Against the Agri-Intellectuals by xexers on Monday August 03, 2009 @12:00PM (#739461)
From another article: "Soil fertility doesn't originate from animals; it comes from plants at the bottom of the food chain. When grass is filtered through a cow most of the nitrogen is lost in her urine. Instead, take the grass that would go to feed a cow and put it directly into your compost pile - you'll get the nitrogen you need in addition to other nutrients that aren't found in manure. Using the grass and other plant-based materials yields more organic matter than manure." http://biofertilizer.com/biofertilizer/organic_gardening_veg...

If you are growing vegetables though, you can easily just rotate your crops year by year between crops that fix nitrogen into the soil (like peas, beans, clover, grass) and other crops that take nitrogen (like corn, berries, etc).

"Legumes are an example of a nitrogen fixing plant. These should be rotated with your vegetable crop in order to keep a proper amount of nitrogen in your soil. Crops most often paired by farmers are rice and cotton, and soybeans and maize. These crop pairings are essential for the continuing health of the soil."

http://www.helpfulgardener.com/organic/2006/crop.html