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Re:Can We Please Kill This Meme Now by makmanalp on Sunday August 02, 2009 @05:52PM (#738141)
This is a pet peeve of mine. A fun pastime is to tell a book aficionado, or maybe a librarian how in 20 years all their favorite medium will be obliterated completely and how the likes of them will be dismissed as luddites. Just sit back and relax for the next hour while you listen to an ad-lib essay on why books are so great and how they have "life" and how computers are "mechanical and lifeless", and how staring at a computer screen will surely cause asociality (while of course staring at a book is not likely to). I've even heard people tout that the book experience, from the feeling of the covers to the smell of it, is inexchangeable to that "degenerate computer crap". Overly melodramatic.

Do I really believe that books will come to an end that soon? No way. Much later, maybe. Do I hate books? Not at all, I love them. I own many of them and regularly buy, borrow and read more.

Honestly, I'm sad that these people can't identify with all the change they're being subjected to, but I'm tired of the behavior. If you don't like where everything is heading, that's fine, you're free to keep your old ways but if you're going to grumble on about it, then you better stop swimming upstream and start learning the other way too. Maybe the reason I'm so receptive to change is because I was born into an era of it.

Re:Can We Please Kill This Meme Now by derefr on Sunday August 02, 2009 @06:11PM (#738163)
A book aficionado perhaps, but not a [real, graduated in L/IS] librarian. Library and information science is basically the study of all the stuff hackers like arguing about—what information is, what is or is not important/redundant information, what metadata is needed to efficiently find something, the value of information in different contexts, the best ways to guarantee the preservation or distribution of information, and so on. Librarians were the first people to use (and espouse) search engines. I'm sure they'd absolutely love it if instead of having a huge library building that had to survive with little funding, taking up city space with books that have mostly never been touched (and therefore have to be culled sometimes—not a happy pastime for a librarian), they could run a small stall that checked out e-ink tablets with the sum of all human knowledge pre-installed, and never worry about conserving space by removing information again.
Re:Can We Please Kill This Meme Now by mechanical_fish on Sunday August 02, 2009 @07:16PM (#738248)
Yes, you must remember that you might think of a library as a building full of books, but to a librarian it's always been a means to an end.

A librarian's job is to archive and retrieve information. For them, having to physically unshelve and reshelve books is not an act filled with nostalgia and romance -- the novelty has long since worn off. Moving books around is a tedious cost of doing business. It's what they make the new interns do. They won't miss it any more than grad students will miss photocopying journal articles. [1]

(God, do you realize how much of my life was wasted lugging giant bound journal volumes around, shlepping them on and off of photocopiers, just because I went to grad school five years too soon? You young whippersnappers don't know how easy you have it!)

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[1] With the important caveat that librarians are not at all impressed with the archival quality of electronic media. There's nothing like being handed a truckload of seven-inch floppy disks and being told to preserve the contents for the next 500 years. The job has its challenges.

Re:Can We Please Kill This Meme Now by nostrademons on Sunday August 02, 2009 @08:22PM (#738324)
Curiously, I don't think I know of any librarians working at Google. I wonder what they'd think of the zillions of documents at every engineer's fingertips here.
Re:Can We Please Kill This Meme Now by jamesbritt on Monday August 03, 2009 @01:51AM (#738693)
"If you don't like where everything is heading, that's fine, you're free to keep your old ways but if you're going to grumble on about it, then you better stop swimming upstream and start learning the other way too"

On the other hand, the so-called paperless society was supposed to be here something like 20 years ago.

If people are skeptical about the end of books, I don't blame them.