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Re:Sony and Panasonic announce the Archival Disc format by hga on Monday March 10, 2014 @01:03PM (#7374126)
I'd be more interested if you made your case with LTO-5 tape; the latest and greatest generally comes at a price premium.

I switched from USB 2 external hard drives to LTO-4 (see my other comment in this thread for one reason for that generation, which BTW per the LTO spec can be read by an LTO-6 drive) because I wanted multiple copies of my data in a less physically fragile form than hard drives (something I'm willing to routinely schlep to a safe deposit box). And I'm an old timer, bought my first DECtape in 1978 (sic), because it was neat, and then it became handy when I learned the -rf flags to the rm command ^_^. I'm very used to tapes, how they work and don't, what you can and can't do with them. And while I was flirting with hard disk backup almost had a catastrophic loss (http://www.ancell-ent.com/1715_Rex_Ave_127B_Joplin/images/) only redeemed by luck and offsite storage to rsync.net in Denver.

I didn't buy a high end, super fast tape drive, rather an internal HP 1760 EH919 drive, Newegg will sell you one at 2,130, but with some bargain hunting you can get for $1,400 easily (we managed $1,200), and Fujifilm and HP tapes (wouldn't trust any others, except maybe IBM but those are expensive) from them are going for $39 to $42 quantity one, you can of course get better pricing if you buy packs or 20 (or more) and/or go bargain hunting, e.g. 35.45 for the first Amazon Merchant I found with a rating >= 96% for a 20 pack of HP tapes. That's for 800GB uncompressed storage per tape.

Per my other comment I also had to buy a 15K SAS drive, that was $250 back then (late summer of 2011).

And I should note one of the biggest use cases for LTO drives is fast backups for businesses. With of course plenty of $$$ backing hardware to keep LTO-5 or LTO-6 drives happy.

Re:Sony and Panasonic announce the Archival Disc format by beagle3 on Monday March 10, 2014 @01:40PM (#7374404)
Case is not much different for LTO 5: drive is a little cheaper, as you note. Media is slower and almost same price per TB.

You still need drive redundancy in most setups. And my experience with tapes has been that they are not significantly more robust than drives: they break and die when they fall on a hard floor, they get ruined if heated too much.

And an issue that might be gone in the recent LTO era (has it?), but which I met several times: if you need to recover tapes made 5 years ago, finding a usable tape drive for use or sale might be a big problem. The last drive I had I can't connect to a modern motherboard was an MFM controller-RLL drive pair I had in 1987. IDE came shortly after.

Re:Sony and Panasonic announce the Archival Disc format by hga on Monday March 10, 2014 @01:54PM (#7374514)
See wazoox's comment: per the spec/in theory and in practice for him, you can read back 2 generations of LTO tape (and write back one, to ease transitions).

Any sane archiving plan will read old tapes "before it's too late" (yes, I know, I know) and re-archive them. I suspect a prime use case for this proposed optical media is archiving what Hollywood et. al. does, which is getting to be rather large (10s or 100 TB per a major film?), put them in controlled environment facilities and then forget about them unless the film is such a success you want to make a new release that needs to go back to the masters, or more material for a "Director's Cut" etc.

Re:Sony and Panasonic announce the Archival Disc format by beagle3 on Monday March 10, 2014 @11:47PM (#7377300)
> Any sane archiving plan will read old tapes "before it's too late" (yes, I know, I know) and re-archive them.

That's true. In fact, any sane archiving/backup plan REQUIRES that you regularly verify the integrity of the data, preferably by restoring -- and refreshing that data onto new media "before it's too late". That is true for both tapes and drives.

Re:Sony and Panasonic announce the Archival Disc format by acdha on Monday March 10, 2014 @02:20PM (#7374701)
A previous employer had significant failure rates until they realized that the LTO tapes were being flipped sideways at some point during storage: simply failing to keep them flat pushed total tape failures well into double-digit rates over a year!