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Re:Sony and Panasonic announce the Archival Disc format by derekp7 on Monday March 10, 2014 @07:48AM (#7372398)
Only one problem -- archiving is mostly a big business use case. Therefore, the technology will only have big business price tags. Remember when you could back up a home hard drive onto a single tape, and the media cost was only a fraction of your hard drive cost? And the tape drive was no more expensive than the hard drive? (i.e., those mini QIC cartridges).
Re:Sony and Panasonic announce the Archival Disc format by mseebach on Monday March 10, 2014 @08:44AM (#7372577)
> Only one problem -- archiving is mostly a big business use case.

Not necessarily. With photography having been digital for about a decade and home video for about half that, tech savvy families easily have several TBs of data that they would want to hold on to for the long haul. The prospect of being able to burn a complete copy of these things on a few discs and leave them at the grandparents or in a bank box seems very appealing, and only more so over the coming years.

Re:Sony and Panasonic announce the Archival Disc format by rbanffy on Monday March 10, 2014 @09:29AM (#7372754)
It's easier to imagine those families moving their data to ever larger magnetic disks than making something like this "consumer grade" (as in "consumer-proof").
Re:Sony and Panasonic announce the Archival Disc format by derekp7 on Monday March 10, 2014 @09:40AM (#7372809)
Most people I know just copy everything to a large external USB drive (sometimes managed by backup software). So these things would have to be less than $50/TB for the media, and no more than a couple hundred for the drive, in order to compete with external USB spinning disks.
Re:Sony and Panasonic announce the Archival Disc format by epaladin on Monday March 10, 2014 @10:32AM (#7373075)
After they knock the external drive off the desk, they might go looking for a different media for offline storage. The cloud works for some cases, but it's definitely not great for large data volume- at least in the US, with broadband that isn't nearly what it could be.
Re:Sony and Panasonic announce the Archival Disc format by hga on Monday March 10, 2014 @11:12AM (#7373348)
The nice thing about external USB drives is that you can position them some distance from your computer. Back before I switched to LTO tape, mine were taped down in a low/no traffic area. But, yes, they're fragile, almost certainly the most fragile backup media you can use, and my first set didn't survive this http://www.ancell-ent.com/1715_Rex_Ave_127B_Joplin/images/, at least not without reporting so many errors I gave up on them.

And you're of course right about the cloud, especially in the US; I've got rock solid AT&T ADSL, but it's very A(symmetric) and has a 150 GiB monthly cap, so only my very most important stuff gets saved to rsync.net, which e.g. saved my email from the tornado.

Re:Sony and Panasonic announce the Archival Disc format by dragontamer on Monday March 10, 2014 @01:52PM (#7374498)
Hard Disks are not an archival format. In addition to the standard data retention issues... arms can rust and get stuck. There are simply more moving parts to a mechanical hard drive than either optical storage or tape storage.

Archival hard drives exist of course, but are at a cost disadvantage compared to tapes or optical media.

Re:Sony and Panasonic announce the Archival Disc format by e12e on Monday March 10, 2014 @12:02PM (#7373673)
At least while we're waiting for bigger SSDs. Not sure what the expected lifetime of a (theoretical) 4TB SSD that's used mostly in append-only manner is. Will the drive outlast the USB3/SATA interface it comes with? It should at least be pretty resistant against physical wear-and-tear.
Re:Sony and Panasonic announce the Archival Disc format by hga on Monday March 10, 2014 @12:04PM (#7373696)
The storage cells are essentially capacitors, they store a bit of electrical charge. Eventually that'll leak away, unless the controller is sophisticated enough to do DRAM style refreshing every N years. Or you do it.

SSDs are way too young to depend upon, as far as I'm concerned. For that matter, if you really screw up and have to recover data from a drive, they're much more opaque than hard disks.

Re:Sony and Panasonic announce the Archival Disc format by fulafel on Monday March 10, 2014 @08:47AM (#7372585)
Archiving is very much a consumer use case. Photos/videos, and generally old computer HD contents are the main applications.