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Re:Windows 8.1 Update 1: More interface concessions by fauigerzigerk on Sunday March 09, 2014 @05:36AM (#7367994)
You are absolutely right about discoverability. This is the major difference compared to CLIs. But what happened is that on mobile you have very popular UIs that have no discoverability whatsoever.

You can't even hover a mouse cursor over something you suspect might be a control because there is no mouse cursor and what is and isn't a control isn't always clear either. Lots of secret gestures and lots of change in every version (at least on Android).

I'm a bit baffled as well as to why this can work. I suspect it might be because people don't use these devices for productivity and hence they only use a relatively small number of features. They don't need to discover new stuff all the time and when they do it's for entertainment more than anything.

Or maybe it's because there's a new generation of mainstream users that sees everything as a kind of adventure game where discovering hard to find treasures is the whole point.

Maybe Microsoft's problem is that their technology people ignore the very message their marketing people are trying to get across: PCs are for productivity, for creating things. If you're at work trying to get things done you're not in the mood for figuring out obscure features and the latest UX fashions.

Re:Windows 8.1 Update 1: More interface concessions by m_mueller on Sunday March 09, 2014 @06:41AM (#7368095)
Your point basically boils down the whole issue of why Win8 is a failure: MS blindly followed Touch UI trends in a context where Touch UI is simply weaker than Mouse/Keyboard, and they threw away many of the advantages of a Mouse/Keyboard oriented UI in the process. Metro might have an advantage through its consistency across applications for Touch devices, but as long as it's being forced onto Desktop users it will continue to alienate a big chunk of Microsoft's core userbase. Considering the current developments I expect a full 180 for Win9 - even the Vista start menu might come back at one point.
Re:Windows 8.1 Update 1: More interface concessions by fauigerzigerk on Sunday March 09, 2014 @07:57AM (#7368220)
I don't think touch and discoverability are mutually exclusive. I do think that discoverability is very difficult to do on 5" screens but that doesn't mean discoverability must be equally bad on a 10" or 20" or 24" screen.

Microsoft can't just do a u-turn and go back to the traditional desktop. What they need to do is to scrap the old desktop altogether and use the screen real estate that's there.

Why not implement a fully featured tiling window manager? On a small screen, you see only one or two tiles and you have no discoverability. On a larger screen you get extra tiles that show available commands and help text. Once you learned your shortcuts you can remove those tiles.

Re:Windows 8.1 Update 1: More interface concessions by m_mueller on Sunday March 09, 2014 @08:55AM (#7368330)
I like your idea of a new window manager. There are a few more aspects that need to be taken care of if one wants to bridge Touch and Desktop UIs IMO:

* contextual menus should still be available to speed up certain tasks. For touch screens these should be available through a simple gesture, for mouse/keyboard it's the right click as always. I'm thinking that for touch UI the menu entries could be placed in a circle around the point where the gesture has been initiated, without hiding anything behind the finger (the OS should recognize from what direction the finger has been placed on the screen).

* the concept of a program menu should be reimplemented. Every function should be accessible through this menu, even if there are contextual elements that implement them as well. However, this menu needs to be easily usable on touch screens as well.

* there's one element I'd propose to be always visible, no matter what screen size starting at 7 inch: The search. This search should be able to find application commands and data, OS commands, other applications as well as and system wide data (in that order).