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Re:Austin Police Department Warns SXSW Attendees Not To Use ... by mschuster91 on Sunday March 09, 2014 @01:43AM (#7367726)
"change the [laws]"... in 'murica, of all countries. No way unless you happen to have a couple of million $ lying around somewhere to bribe...eh finance the campaign of a politician.
Re:Austin Police Department Warns SXSW Attendees Not To Use ... by davidw on Sunday March 09, 2014 @03:20AM (#7367793)
Bullshit. It takes hard work, but ordinary people can get out there and do things just fine if they actively work at it rather than just whining on online forums.
Re:Austin Police Department Warns SXSW Attendees Not To Use ... by DanBC on Sunday March 09, 2014 @03:38AM (#7367816)
Do you have examples of citizen-campaigning that has caused law changes?

I don't disagree with you, but I tend to think that politicans will use citizen campaigns if they're useful and ignore them otherwise.

Re:Austin Police Department Warns SXSW Attendees Not To Use ... by davidw on Sunday March 09, 2014 @04:40AM (#7367908)
I helped get a law passed here in Italy. Not the US, but not known for great politics either.

http://www.governo.it/Notizie/Presidenza/dettaglio.asp?d=690...

Most of the marijuana legalization stuff isn't being driven by huge corporations.

Gay marriage rights are not a campaign that some lobbyist cooked up.

In my home state of Oregon, they legalized euthanasia a number of years ago. That wasn't exactly something with massive corporate backing... "Wash down that lethal dose of barbiturates with a refreshing Coca Cola!"

Re:Austin Police Department Warns SXSW Attendees Not To Use ... by joesmo on Sunday March 09, 2014 @01:49PM (#7369170)
Regardless of corporate backing, _all_ these movements are powered by millions of dollars. That's how it works here in the US.
Re:Austin Police Department Warns SXSW Attendees Not To Use ... by davidw on Sunday March 09, 2014 @05:23PM (#7370023)
So what you are saying is that even grass roots movements, led by fairly ordinary people, can raise millions of dollars for their causes?
Re:Austin Police Department Warns SXSW Attendees Not To Use ... by joesmo on Monday March 10, 2014 @04:54PM (#7375625)
If they want to get legislation passed, then yes, they have to. I have no idea if they can or not.
Re:Austin Police Department Warns SXSW Attendees Not To Use ... by gamblor956 on Sunday March 09, 2014 @02:50PM (#7369432)
Gay marriage in multiple states.

Most initiatives in California.

Megan's Law and various other laws named for crime victims.

Re:Austin Police Department Warns SXSW Attendees Not To Use ... by mschuster91 on Sunday March 09, 2014 @04:55PM (#7369945)
Gay marriage, pot legalization and crime-victim laws don't hurt anyone's profit (or, in case of crime-victim laws, the cost of opposing the law is higher than the cost of letting it pass) so there are no well-funded adversaries trying to kill these laws for profit.
Re:Austin Police Department Warns SXSW Attendees Not To Use ... by tptacek on Sunday March 09, 2014 @07:25PM (#7370465)
This is the No True Scotsman fallacy. It's especially egregious given how well-funded opposition to gay marriage actually is. But even if we were in an alternate reality where the evangelical right (and the institutions that prey on them) weren't bankrolling enormous fights against gay marriage, the point you're trying to make would still be fallacious.
Re:Austin Police Department Warns SXSW Attendees Not To Use ... by joesmo on Monday March 10, 2014 @11:42PM (#7377288)
Most of the opponents of marijuana legalization are alcohol companies. Their profits are highly threatened indeed.
Re:Austin Police Department Warns SXSW Attendees Not To Use ... by chongli on Sunday March 09, 2014 @03:59AM (#7367840)
Hard work and a lot of time. Ordinary people putting in large numbers of unpaid hours of work competing against highly paid lobbyists that wine and dine with the elite.