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Re:The Self(ie) Generation by nl on Saturday March 08, 2014 @11:01PM (#7367375)
"Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room; they contradict their parents, chatter before company; gobble up their food and tyrannize their teachers."

-- Socrates

Re:The Self(ie) Generation by mappum on Sunday March 09, 2014 @12:18AM (#7367543)
Socrates was just pretty conservative, he was also against the idea of writing:

" ...this discovery of yours will create forgetfulness in the learners’ souls, because they will not use their memories; they will trust to the external written characters and not remember of themselves. The specific which you have discovered is an aid not to memory, but to reminiscence, and you give your disciples not truth, but only the semblance of truth; they will be hearers of many things and will have learned nothing; they will appear to be omniscient and will generally know nothing; they will be tiresome company, having the show of wisdom without the reality."

Re:The Self(ie) Generation by neuralk on Sunday March 09, 2014 @12:58AM (#7367638)
In some sense, he is right.

With writing, people did not develop memories as powerful as they did when traditions were oral -- there was no need. How many people can recite epic poems or plays from memory, let alone the Odyssey? Extremely few could these days, relatively few could 1000 years ago, and many more could 2000+ years ago. And you can bet that those who developed powerful memories in the time of Socrates would be among the most wise and cultured, so his complaint is not an unreasonable one to make. Besides, Socrates was perennially the devil's advocate and its not impossible if you had caught him on a different day he would've argued the opposite case.

Taking it further, his quote applies equally to the advent of the internet, especially search engines. Many people outsource their memory to Google -- they will even look up things on their phone in the middle of a conversation because they've forgotten its name.

Re:The Self(ie) Generation by hifigi on Sunday March 09, 2014 @09:35AM (#7368412)
In the words of Henry Jones Sr. "I wrote it down so I wouldn't have to remember."

Rote memory is fallible, fleeting and failing (in that order). Memorizing epic poetry is a noble cause, but even Plato would prefer to use those mental resources for applications more pertinent to a greater understanding of our physical reality. This sentiment accounts for the rapid transition to physically-recorded data, which everyone seems to agree was a general step in the right direction.

Re:The Self(ie) Generation by skybrian on Sunday March 09, 2014 @01:07AM (#7367654)
Here's a really great SF story about the effects of technology on memory (ancient and modern):

http://subterraneanpress.com/magazine/fall_2013/the_truth_of...

Re:The Self(ie) Generation by leephillips on Sunday March 09, 2014 @12:43AM (#7367611)
"they will appear to be omniscient and will generally know nothing"

Does this describe me, with Google at my fingertips? I hope not.

Re:The Self(ie) Generation by icelancer on Sunday March 09, 2014 @05:07AM (#7367946)
I believe it describes a great number of people.
Re:The Self(ie) Generation by e12e on Sunday March 09, 2014 @04:10AM (#7367850)
Apparently that quote's disputed -- while there's another one that seems less so:

"We live in a decaying age. Young people no longer respect their parents. They are rude and impatient. They frequently inhabit taverns and have no self control." -- attributed to an inscription in an Ancient Egyptian tomb, quoted in Buckminster Fuller's I Seem To Be a Verb.