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Re:C# is now a better language than Java by ilitirit on Friday July 31, 2009 @11:37AM (#734611)
Language wise C# was than Java from day 1, but the C# toolset and build model are why I prefer C# over Java.

I have never had to spend ages trying track down a "class not found" error in C#. Nor have I had to deal with version clashes between libraries. And I might be biased because I develop mainly on Windows, but I think Visual Studio is a better IDE than Netbeans, Eclipse, IntelliJ or JDeveloper.

Re:C# is now a better language than Java by kashif on Friday July 31, 2009 @12:15PM (#734704)
Really Visual studio is better than Intellij/Eclipse?!?

I can tell that you havent done enough programming in the Java world. Have you ever tried any serious refactoring or bothered analyzing your code. I didnt think so, you would have realized why visual studio sucks..

BTW, I program in both C# and Java all the time. Actually, I do about 70% C# and 30% Java. So your claims are crap.

Re:C# is now a better language than Java by Caligula on Friday July 31, 2009 @02:19PM (#735024)
I would not call all his claims crap. I disagree with his libraries statement but agree that visual studios is better than netbeans or eclipse.

I have used c# in vs.net for years up until a year ago and am stuck using eclipse now. I miss vs.net, not so much c#.

Re:C# is now a better language than Java by kashif on Friday July 31, 2009 @02:58PM (#735120)
Hmm...try Intellij Idea and I think you might get over VS. Eclipse is a bit clumsy but really powerful. VS is basically a text editor with intellisense.
Re:C# is now a better language than Java by ilitirit on Friday August 07, 2009 @01:35PM (#748085)
> BTW, I program in both C# and Java all the time.

So do I, so you can drop the holier than thou attitude. In case you didn't know, refactoring plugins for VS do exist, and I use them. But you're just comparing one aspect of the IDE. I use VS Team Suite, so I have built-in Unit Testing, collaboration, modelling (data and code), and multi-language projects in one solution (ie. I can write a COM object in C++ and a C# client in the same solution).

IMO, considering your objection, you are the one who hasn't done serious development in any language. (See? It's easy to drop pointless statements like that)

Re:C# is now a better language than Java by utnick on Friday July 31, 2009 @04:06PM (#735254)
try it with resharper. brings it up to java ide level.
Re:C# is now a better language than Java by messel on Friday July 31, 2009 @04:35PM (#735313)
My preference is definitely visual studio over netbeans/eclipse simply due to response time and the ease of installation.
Re:C# is now a better language than Java by caustic on Friday July 31, 2009 @05:47PM (#735463)
Where are these people come from? Installing Eclipse is as easy as unpacking ZIP file. Unlike VisualStudio, whose installer is just slow and buggy piece of crap, which constantly breaks so hard, that you have to download a special tool to reinstall it.
Re:C# is now a better language than Java by messel on Saturday August 01, 2009 @05:07AM (#736158)
visual studio express 2008 took me less than 5 minutes total to get up and running.

netbeans or eclipse took me far longer to start building web apps (GAE or scala/lift)

plus the IDE itself has a very long load time and terribly slow response time.

Re:C# is now a better language than Java by rbanffy on Friday July 31, 2009 @04:43PM (#735334)
How is NetBeans difficult to install? I would understand being confused as to what package to download from eclipse.org, but NetBeans?!
Re:C# is now a better language than Java by messel on Saturday August 01, 2009 @05:06AM (#736156)
Setting up a scala/lift environment correctly took a bit. Read up about the proper JDK, SDK and I still have probs building inside the IDE (I just gave up and use maven on the command line)
Re:C# is now a better language than Java by rbanffy on Saturday August 01, 2009 @11:56AM (#736366)
And exactly how easy would that be under VisualStudio (object of the original complaint about NetBeans being too difficult to set up)?