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Re:Apple's Mistake (2009) by Steko on Tuesday March 04, 2014 @11:42PM (#7345320)
Four years and change later the central thesis that developers will abandon Apple en masse because the App Store is a great crime against programmers rings hollow. iOS is still the first target for many developers and for those where it isn't, they're more likely following the enormous Android userbase most of which Apple doesn't even compete for. I'm sure it has cost them some developers but the short list of big time Android first apps tells you the score.

At the end of the day hot dog vendors sell hot dogs in highly regulated NYC because people in NYC buy hot dogs. Companies sell their goods to Wal-Mart and Neiman Marcus instead of at the flea market because that's what keeps the lights on. Small publishers work with Amazon despite horrible terms because it puts steak on the dinner table.

One thing this article reminds us of it that pg has the not uncommon HN blind spot for Google who he claims has "remained true to their founding principles". I guess stabbing a close partner in the back by releasing a clone of their flagship product is not being evil. I wonder if he's also a fan of the Samwer brothers?

Re:Apple's Mistake (2009) by argumentum on Wednesday March 05, 2014 @12:28AM (#7345477)
> I guess stabbing a close partner in the back by releasing a clone of their flagship product is not being evil

1. All these companies "stab each other in the back" and engage in cut throat competition for everything, including (notoriously now) employees and customers.

2. Of all the things google has done, or is doing, or might do releasing Android was one of the more benevolent. At least the "victim" was a giant corporation not defenseless employees, factory workers, developers or customers.

3. Evil is what Sergey says is evil.

I'm a huge fan of Apple products, but "benevolent" is certainly not a word you might use to describe them as a company. In many cases (not all), the opposite can be said of Google.

Re:Apple's Mistake (2009) by MichaelApproved on Tuesday March 04, 2014 @11:59PM (#7345380)
"I guess stabbing a close partner in the back by releasing a clone of their flagship product is not being evil."

What is the product you're referencing?

Re:Apple's Mistake (2009) by e28eta on Wednesday March 05, 2014 @12:16AM (#7345447)
Steve Jobs would say the iPhone
Re:Apple's Mistake (2009) by MichaelApproved on Wednesday March 05, 2014 @01:13AM (#7345632)
I guess that's what OP was referring to but how is it surprising that a major tech company was getting into the mobile device business? Even Amazon created a tablet.
Re:Apple's Mistake (2009) by fivethree on Wednesday March 05, 2014 @04:02AM (#7346062)
Their early versions looked closer to a blackberry. The general Jobs assertion is that Google switched to full touch screen after seeing the prototypes.
Re:Apple's Mistake (2009) by droopybuns on Wednesday March 05, 2014 @12:05AM (#7345419)
facebook?
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Re:Apple's Mistake (2009) by bobbles on Wednesday March 05, 2014 @12:13AM (#7345440)
He is talking about the way that Google released a full touch-screen based phone to directly compete with the iPhone after becoming familiar with the project due to their board connections.
Re:Apple's Mistake (2009) by Steko on Wednesday March 05, 2014 @12:26AM (#7345470)
There were board connections but primarily Apple partnered closely with Google starting with the iphone because Maps and Search were great services that Apple wanted to build right into the core of the device and really the whiz bangness of the iphone intro to me was when Steve searched for a shop, brought it up on maps, touched the number and the companies phone was ringing.

When Eric got onstage at the iphone keynote [1] and joked about Apple and Google being such great partners that they should merge, it got an honest laugh at the time but watching the same moment in retrospect is absolutely jarring.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9h...

Here's Steve, who had some experience losing a big market to a close partner, demonstrating the betrayal he felt from Google:

We did not enter the search business, Jobs said. They entered the phone business. Make no mistake teams at Google want to kill the iPhone. We won’t let them, he says. Someone else asks something on a different topic, but there’s no getting Jobs off this rant. I want to go back to that other question first and say one more thing, he says. "Don't be evil is a load of crap"

Now Apple is in the Maps business today and is slowly entering corners of the Search business as well but imo they didn't want to be and they aren't particularly good at it and know it. But the battle lines that were drawn in 2009 made it clear they had to abandon any ideas of partnering with Google for longer than they absolutely needed to.

Re:Apple's Mistake (2009) by hal9zillion on Wednesday March 05, 2014 @01:12AM (#7345627)
I dont think Google are at all interested in killing the iPhone. Unlike Microsoft circa 2013-14 they know what type of company they are - an advertising funded services company. They would be more or less as happy if everyone was using Google Search and Google Apps on iOS as if everyone went out nd brought Android products.

Android was a straegic ploy to avoid being shut out of the next computing platform by a dominant/monopolistic competitor. From some accounts, at the time Android was first planned, they believed that would be Microsoft - a much more natural competitor than Apple. The Apple/Google rift is a strange thing that had as much to do with Jobs’ personal emotions as anything else. While alive he set in motion a lot of Anti-Google initiatives such as Apple Maps, an army of lawsuits etc but i thik things will gradually cool off betwen the two as time passes.

Still, given what amazing companies they are, its sad that things will never go back to the "best buds” period that you mention here...

Re:Apple's Mistake (2009) by jchimney on Wednesday March 05, 2014 @01:10AM (#7345623)
I agree with much that you said; but I don't think you can minimize the boost android got by having eric on apple's board during a very critical formative point in the iPhone development. Google completely abandoned their earlier prototypes once they saw what apple had brewing. http://bgr.com/2013/12/19/original-iphone-android-story/
Re:Apple's Mistake (2009) by Shooti on Wednesday March 05, 2014 @03:36AM (#7345989)
You can very well minimize it when you look at the actual timeframe between appointment and announcement:

Schmidt joined the Apple board August 29th 2006: http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2006/08/29Google-CEO-Dr-Eric...

Public iPhone announcement was January 9th 2007: http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/01/09Apple-Reinvents-th...

Also, the book that article is sourced from hashes out how the Google mobile software team working on iOS which was lead by Gundotra was a different body all together from Rubin's Android unit (who were actually gunning for Android to be shut down since they couldn't see the point of it). It's worth a read.

Re:Apple's Mistake (2009) by terminus on Wednesday March 05, 2014 @01:23AM (#7345659)
The two scenarios you outlined seem contradictory:

* I don't think you can minimize the boost android got by having eric on apple's board during a very critical formative point

* Google completely abandoned their earlier prototypes once they saw (in the apple keynote) what apple had brewing.

If being on the board was so helpful, then why would Google need to abandon their previous approach?

Re:Apple's Mistake (2009) by jcampbell1 on Wednesday March 05, 2014 @12:24AM (#7345463)
I mistakenly read it as Google being pissed because pg funded a competitor to Google. Should probably just delete my comment.
Re:Apple's Mistake (2009) by ryanhuff on Wednesday March 05, 2014 @12:21AM (#7345454)
I think he is referring to Apple and Google. Eric Schmidt sat on Apple's board at the time the iPhone was in development. There was an impression (with Apple) that the two companies were friendly, and that Google would not compete against Apple on devices. Then Android happened, and then this:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/20/steve-jobs-google-g...