Critical crypto bug leaves Linux, hundreds of apps open to eavesdropping

Re: Critical crypto bug leaves Linux, hundreds of apps open ... by smsm42 on Tuesday March 04, 2014 @04:42PM (#7343393)

I think there's a point here. The point being much more people talk about many eyes than actually audit existing code. The fact is, there are quite a number of bugs that stayed in the code for a long time despite being not that deep. Maybe that says we don't have enough eyeballs, but most of people quoting that sentence quietly assume we do, equating number of participants in FOSS communities with number of people actually auditing the code. Unfortunately, the former is much bigger than the latter. We pretty much have the same situation as we have in science publications where a lot of results are not reproducible and a lot nobody even bothers to check for reproducibility, despite reproducibility being the basic tenet of open publication and peer review and being necessary to validate the result. Unless there's a reason to - e.g. an identifiable bug - not many bother to go back to existing code and check it for correctness.

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Re: Critical crypto bug leaves Linux, hundreds of apps open ... by Crito on Tuesday March 04, 2014 @04:50PM (#7343452)

The quote is hyperbolic for the "all", and should probably use the word "shallower", but otherwise I don't see anything wrong with it.

"much more people talk about many eyes than actually audit existing code" is true of free software, but is also true of just about everything. More people think "I feel comfortable crossing this bridge because plenty of engineers have looked at it" than there are engineers actually looking at bridges. I haven't read the quote in it's original context for several years, but I don't remember it conflating software users with software developers.

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Re: Critical crypto bug leaves Linux, hundreds of apps open ... by Perseids on Wednesday March 05, 2014 @07:39AM (#7346582)

The difference is that engineers actually know how to build safe bridges. I feel (and am actually) safe living in a house designed by a single competent architect, but I am not secure using a TLS implementation written by a single competent programmer. The only way we have found to end up with reasonable secure code is to have it reviewed by a lot of competent people.

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Re: Critical crypto bug leaves Linux, hundreds of apps open ... by TheCondor on Wednesday March 05, 2014 @09:16AM (#7347011)

There are a dozen points here... The shallow bugs statement is true when there is a community that is large and with incredibly deep understanding; linux and posix is a great example, there is staggering depth of knowledge on those interfaces and behavior. Unfortunately there isn't wide and deep knowledge of tls architecture and implementation, there isn't even a lot of commonality across interfaces.

There is a social axiom that you and I don't know crypto and we should leave it to the experts, yet they need help too.

There is conventional c style and this function, while documented, does the opposite. I had to look at the code a couple times to see the bug, a lot of reviews could have missed it.

There is conventional c style and the whole failure chain cleanup mess, look at that code again, they've got their own data representation and free function that uses it to detect if memory is allocated, the free is private but the initialize is done inline. That stuff happens everywhere by many projects, I'm not saying its wrong but it leaves it open for easy bugs, one gaffed variable declaration potentially screws everything and you need to know the data structure even though you don't directly use it.

And I don't want to pile on gnutls, I think their intentions are good and this is a bug, but this looks fucking prime for unit testing...

There are a lot of variables to determine and measure a projects health, the whole community needs to step up in the quality department, there are lots of ways to contribute and despite the adage, more people should look at crypto.

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