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Re:Apple CarPlay by deveac on Monday March 03, 2014 @12:30PM (#7335012)
>Yay, more touch screen in cars. More ways to distract, frustrate and confuse users who are operating a big box of steel weighing 3 tons and going at speeds the human brain has never evolved to appropriately deal with.

This reduces distraction.

You have to remember to take into account human behavior. In the real world, people get into their vehicle and use their phone's map application, as well as text, phone, and music applications. Not only do they do this, they do it in overwhelming numbers.

This product takes common behavior that people engage in (and will continue to), and makes it safer and less confusing to engage in while driving.

Vehicles have knobs and touch-screens now. This tech doesn't change that dynamic, -it works with the UI elements already present in order to reduce fumbling around with your phone and tiny touch-targets on your mobile device.

>2) Self-driving cars cannot come fast enough, and every single innovation in the car industry that does not go towards electric self driving cars is just useless fluff at this point.

That's besides the point. They aren't here yet, and they won't be in the immediate future. Making driving safer in the meantime isn't fluff.

> there is no room for caring about the feelings of greedy old white men.

What a terrible, low-value comment to make in this forum.

Re:Apple CarPlay by ed209 on Monday March 03, 2014 @02:23PM (#7335804)
In 2011, 3,331 people were killed in crashes involving a distracted driver. 3,267 in 2010. [1]

When you say "This reduces distraction." you mean compared to holding the phone and doing those actions, right?

The way I would account for human behavior is to intelligently disable certain functionality as the car is moving. Compared to someone else's life, how important is that text message? Even dictating a text message takes some cognitive load.

Let's not mix the word "safer" and "distracted driving".

[1] http://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/distracted_driving/

Re:Apple CarPlay by roc on Monday March 03, 2014 @05:03PM (#7336853)
> "The way I would account for human behavior is to intelligently disable certain functionality as the car is moving. "

This is about the only way to enable intelligent control over device functionality. Absent this additional link, a modern cell phone can't tell a driver from an occupant.

With this, Apple and the car companies offer people a carrot so that they pair their device [1] and now they can limit the distractions: you can control the apps that are available on the car interface, you can pare down the notifications they're receiving (enable DND mode by default while driving), you can disable direct use of the paired device while the car is in motion, etc.

[1] The carrot being GPS and music-selection features already available on many modern car dashboards.

Re:Apple CarPlay by deveac on Monday March 03, 2014 @02:45PM (#7335957)
>The way I would account for human behavior is to intelligently disable certain functionality as the car is moving. Compared to someone else's life, how important is that text message?

Thereby ensuring a situation where the person takes their eyes off the road and looks at their seat for their phone, picks it up, and starts reading and replying to texts while barreling down the road in a high velocity chunk of steel.

That's what happens now. Apple's technology aims to prevent that.

>Even dictating a text message takes some cognitive load.

Yes it does. It also is much safer than doing it on your phone as people can and will continue to do, even in states where it is illegal. Apple isn't a legislature. They can't tackle unsafe driver behavior by crafting laws, but they can do so via software offerings.

Re:Apple CarPlay by btown on Monday March 03, 2014 @02:29PM (#7335841)
If you intelligently disable in-car functionality (such as GPS when the car is moving), people will reach for another device to get that functionality. It's naive to think that constraints will automatically change users' desires.
Re:Apple CarPlay by ed209 on Monday March 03, 2014 @02:36PM (#7335891)
I believe Apple is sending out the wrong signal about driving+other activities at the same time.

Sure, people have already picked up bad habits, but that makes it ok to encourage that behavior if they are going to do it anyway?

Maybe Apple does make certain activities less dangerous, but it's still making access to distractions easier and I think that's a bad thing.

Re:Apple CarPlay by umsm on Monday March 03, 2014 @03:38PM (#7336279)
Not true. Driving a car with bluetooth, I now see how wonderful and useful this feature is. I don't have to take my eyes off the road and I don't have to hold anything to my ear. Its very very seamless.

If you can't talk while you drive, then you shouldn't have passengers either.

Re:Apple CarPlay by alexqgb on Monday March 03, 2014 @05:26PM (#7336987)
Yes, but you're still distracted, and that's the problem.

The obvious difference between a phone call and a conversation had with someone in the car is that the person in the car is also placing their life at risk. Unlike the person who isn't there, they can (a) see and (b) intervene when you're starting to drive like an idiot.

It's not that a live conversation is any less distracting. It's just that it comes with a built in safety mechanism.

Re:Apple CarPlay by davyjones on Tuesday March 04, 2014 @03:12AM (#7339057)
> In 2011, 3,331 people were killed in crashes involving a distracted driver. 3,267 in 2010. [1]

That figure should be normalised to make the comparison fair. Presumably, there were more cars on the road in 2011 than in 2010.

Re:Apple CarPlay by MichaelGG on Monday March 03, 2014 @06:30PM (#7337358)
So essentially, phones should just turn themselves off when moving? I find it highly unlikely that such a law would get any traction (implementation seems rather difficult - by the time it's fully deployed, we'd have been better off putting efforts into self-driving cars). Companies have no chance of implementing this optionally: Why would I buy a car/phone I can't use as a passenger? Deaf passengers would be doubly upset, as the presumably-allowed voice-control features wouldn't be accessible to them.
Re:Apple CarPlay by shas3 on Monday March 03, 2014 @01:57PM (#7335607)
A good compromise on distractions and 'more inputs' is voice-based UI. Honestly, car companies and OEMs must be focusing on better voice-based UIs for cars rather than distracting touch screens. The Sync system in Ford cars is a well-intentioned example that doesn't work that well.
Re:Apple CarPlay by woobar on Monday March 03, 2014 @03:57PM (#7336397)
My pet peeve with Sync is they disable navigation input via touch screen when car is moving. Even when a passenger tries to enter it. Instead they force the driver to use their clunky voice-recognition to do this. Which is much more distracting.

But this is a minor quip compared to how MS implemented Sync Services. It's 2014 and they use a voice(!) line from a pre-registered cell phone to connect to their services.

Re:Apple CarPlay by kolinko on Monday March 03, 2014 @05:13PM (#7336905)
That's a very American way of thinking about things.

I assume you're American (or British), because voice-based systems are nearly useless for non-native english speakers.

I'm a fluent english speaker, but due to my non-american accent, and the fact that my language is not one of the top 10 used in the world I still cannot operate Siri (or other voice systems) properly, and the dictation feature is nearly useless to me.

Re:Apple CarPlay by shas3 on Monday March 03, 2014 @06:25PM (#7337338)
I'm a heavily accented non-American, non-British (though I can claim English is my native language since it's been my language of instruction since Kindergarten).

Google's voice recognition system, and of late, Siri both work fine for me. Sync, iPhone 'voice control', etc. are next to useless. In certain cases, I've tried to adapt. For example, my immediate family, rather than have their names or what I call them in my other native language, I've named them using common English words. So I can just say "Call Dad", and the speech recognition system works.

When I say that OEMs and auto-makers should work on improving voice recognition systems, I mean the entire processing system: sound acquisition, signal conditioning, and machine-learning based speech recognition.

Re:Apple CarPlay by Shivetya on Monday March 03, 2014 @04:04PM (#7336443)
From personal experience, a fixed location screen; my dash; is more distracting than my phone which can be moved into my line of sight.

That out of the way, my VW will duplicate much of what appears on the nav screen into a small display between the speedometer and tachometer. Having used a few heads up displays in cars I am not if I really want to go that route.

Still, when moving the car should be displaying relevant information only. I would much rather have a talking car than one trying to show me

Re:Apple CarPlay by adventured on Tuesday March 04, 2014 @05:04AM (#7339352)
It's worse than low value, it's flat-out racist.