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Re:Getting a PhD in Norway is nearly free--even if you're no... by alkonaut on Thursday February 27, 2014 @04:58AM (#7311317)
There is a cultural difference in whether PhD studies are seen as an add-on education after normal university studies, or if it is an employment as a teacher+researcher.

In Sweden it's the latter, so students are employed as PhD students and get a salary (though usually not very competitive compared to what you would make if working elsewhere).

The fact that the PhD students spend a lot of time teaching and not only educating themselves and working towards their thesis is what makes take around 5 years, rather than, say 3 years.

Re:Getting a PhD in Norway is nearly free--even if you're no... by kaeluka on Thursday February 27, 2014 @05:23AM (#7311384)
I'm a PhD student in Sweden. I'm expected to work 20% of my time for the University (teaching duties, conference organisation, mentoring new phd students). I'm getting payed a little bit lower than what the industry would pay. It's possible that salaries in the industry would also raise quicker. My PhD is supposed to take 4 years of research, but add in the 20% and you have 5 years.

I have very high job security and a salary that's a bit lower than a coder/consultant starting salary. Also, my work is much more interesting (to me) than what it would have been out there. It's a great deal for me, but YMMV.

Re:Getting a PhD in Norway is nearly free--even if you're no... by p4bl0 on Thursday February 27, 2014 @05:33AM (#7311422)
> I'm getting payed a little bit lower than what the industry would pay.

You mean for a "normal" (if I may) industry job or for doing a PhD within the industry?

Because before starting my PhD, the salaries that I've been proposed by recruiters from various companies were more like the double (and sometimes more, like with Google or high frequency trading firms) of what I'm making as a PhD student (but for a way less fun job, as you say).

Re:Getting a PhD in Norway is nearly free--even if you're no... by letzjuc on Thursday February 27, 2014 @07:45AM (#7311794)
In Germany I get paid around 3.500 Euro brutto per Month for pursuing my PhD at my university. Same conditions as the parent post: expected duration 5 years, 20% work time dedicated to university,...

That's around ~44.000 Euros per year (including perks).

I interviewed in 4 companies before deciding to go for the PhD (all engineering jobs). The salaries varied from 45.000 to 55.000 Euros brutto per year, with one offer at 60.000 Euros.

Friends working in industry make around 50.000 Euros which matches with my experience. Making a bit less for working in _your_ PhD is a really good deal here. If you find the right PhD for you it can be very gratifying (plus you are working for yourself). OTOH my friends in industry work way less hours than I do, so if I had a family I would probably had never gone the PhD way.

Re:Getting a PhD in Norway is nearly free--even if you're no... by p4bl0 on Thursday February 27, 2014 @05:18AM (#7311372)
Ya, it seems to be the same as in France then: PhD students here have a real work contract and a student status (which comes as anywhere with many advantages). However we have mostly 3 years long PhDs, and the teaching hours are limited.

The law actually states the minimum salary for a PhD student. It is approximately 1650€ "brut" (before social taxes) which amounts to 1350€ "net" (what you actually get each month). If you have a "mission d'enseignement" (teaching hours), which is not mandatory, then you have to be teaching for 64 hours per years (that is not counting the time you spend preparing for the course or the time spent correcting students assignments of course) and should not occupy more than 1/6 of your working time. Your salary is then 2000€ "brut", which amounts 1650€ "net".

Public PhD funding almost always stays at this level of salary. However you can be paid more than this, for instance if you are paid on a project grant money or if you are in CIFRE (which means you are paid by a company for which you have to spend a defined part of your time, this is often but not always incompatible with having a "mission d'enseignement"). But then your a lot less free to do whatever you want (since the project or the company mst of the time have strongly fixed goals).

Re:Getting a PhD in Norway is nearly free--even if you're no... by hessenwolf on Thursday February 27, 2014 @05:30AM (#7311405)
I assume you mean staff status? Mine was great - as they cancelled my astronomical library fines.
Re:Getting a PhD in Norway is nearly free--even if you're no... by p4bl0 on Thursday February 27, 2014 @05:36AM (#7311431)
Astronomical library fines, really? I never heard of library fines that were more than a few dozen of euros for student. Well I guess that is yet another advantage of being in France that I didn't even knew I had :-).

But no I did meant student status, which means most museums are free for instance, and discounts for many things such as public transportations, movie theaters, etc.

Re:Getting a PhD in Norway is nearly free--even if you're no... by hessenwolf on Thursday February 27, 2014 @09:55AM (#7312461)
On my undergrad budget, 142EUR was astronomical. That was my food budget for over a month. Ah, the penniless days of yore.
Re:Getting a PhD in Norway is nearly free--even if you're no... by p4bl0 on Thursday February 27, 2014 @10:08AM (#7312535)
Ok, yes that's quite big. I was speaking more about something between 20 and 40€, which are part of the 100 to 200€ yearly tuition fees.