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Re:Scale of the Universe by nirai on Tuesday February 25, 2014 @05:34PM (#7301162)
Consciousness and life are two miracles of existence that neither the galaxies, nor the atoms seem to manifest. Probably most life forms on earth are not conscious either.

From that point of view we seem to be a miraculous needle in the haystack of the universe as we know it.

Re:Scale of the Universe by VexXtreme on Tuesday February 25, 2014 @11:06PM (#7302818)
The property of the universe to become capable of self reflection after billions of years of non-intervention is just mind blowing. Life is the most amazing thing. It's as if life and consciousness are inherent emergent properties of certain systems. If you create a complicated enough state machine with low enough entropy (i.e. the universe), the ability to self reflect simply seems to emerge after a while. It's as if life just wants to exist. Amazing.

As for animal consciousness, there are probably degrees of that. Humans are probably the only living beings on Earth that are capable of higher order reasoning and self reflection (meta-thinking). That's not to say animals aren't conscious; they probably just aren't able to reason about the world and their own existence the same way we are (since their brains aren't as developed). In the same vein, who is to say there aren't beings in this universe capable of reasoning on such a high level that even with sufficient explanations, our brains wouldn't be able to accommodate such reasoning on the biological/hardware level due to a lack of proper circuitry.

Re:Scale of the Universe by nirai on Wednesday February 26, 2014 @03:18AM (#7303665)
Life and consciousness are not the properties of a complex state machine, but the properties of the universe.

The universe is not the mathematics or physics that we use to describe it.

Re:Scale of the Universe by VexXtreme on Wednesday February 26, 2014 @07:05AM (#7304380)
Universe is just a complex digital state machine transitioning from one state to another. This existence is digital in nature.
Re:Scale of the Universe by nirai on Wednesday February 26, 2014 @03:03PM (#7307278)
We may never know what the universe really is.
Re:Scale of the Universe by gnaritas on Tuesday February 25, 2014 @06:39PM (#7301565)
At this point I think current opinion is that pretty much all mammals are consciousness. It's not that rare.
Re:Scale of the Universe by ekianjo on Tuesday February 25, 2014 @10:45PM (#7302758)
Even fishes, too.
Re:Scale of the Universe by ars on Tuesday February 25, 2014 @07:27PM (#7301824)
Yah I read that silly article too. They call them conscious because they redefined the term. It's nonsense.
Re:Scale of the Universe by Dark_Eternal on Tuesday February 25, 2014 @08:29PM (#7302122)
Which article is that?

They may not be self-aware, but it seems reasonable to assume that animals like dogs (for example) have inner lives, after their own fashion, and are capable of experiencing qualia. Certainly more reasonable than to assume that they can't.

Re:Scale of the Universe by ekianjo on Tuesday February 25, 2014 @10:50PM (#7302779)
It's probably because the only animals YOU ever see are the ones in your dining plate. If you studied animal behavior a little you'd maybe realize how wrong you are.
Re:Scale of the Universe by benched on Tuesday February 25, 2014 @09:18PM (#7302347)
I guarantee you other animals are first-class conscious. I can't prove it to you, but that's a problem with epistemology, not a problem with the other animals.