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Re:Project Tango by magicalist on Thursday February 20, 2014 @04:44PM (#7273842)
It has "Java, C/C++, as well as the Unity Game Engine" API end points, and if it's fast enough to be input to a game, it isn't touching the cloud.

I think you're misreading this. There may someday be a Google product that reads in a full 3d scan of your surroundings, but it's not this product. It's a sensor and some APIs. Until a device is actually released that requires you to upload all data, it seems premature to give up on it.

Re:Project Tango by ForHackernews on Thursday February 20, 2014 @05:41PM (#7274198)
Maybe it isn't communicating with Google servers in real-time, but I'd be shocked if Google wasn't uploading all the data gathered after the fact.

> Until a device is actually released that requires you to upload all data

No, no, it won't be required... it will just be on by default, and the opt-out will be buried in a submenu hidden under the "Advanced Developer Options" section.

Re:Project Tango by magicalist on Thursday February 20, 2014 @05:58PM (#7274274)
Or it won't do it at all?

The closest analog would be the Android camera, and it asks if you want to turn on autoupload or whatever. And it doesn't upload at all if the camera is being used by an app, even if you have that turned on, which would be the same case if people build apps to use this device.

Re:Project Tango by ForHackernews on Thursday February 20, 2014 @06:04PM (#7274300)
> The closest analog would be the Android camera

I disagree. The closest analog is the Google location services, which continuously uploads data about your position and local wifi networks to Google, and is not very transparent about what it's doing: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2384751,00.asp

Re:Project Tango by magicalist on Thursday February 20, 2014 @06:08PM (#7274318)
It's literally an extra camera and a "depth sensor" (which is likely itself just another type of camera). So no, the analog would be the camera you're already carrying around with you.

It's far more likely (if this catches on) that this will just be another sensor in your phone that apps can use, and if Google wants to improve maps or whatever, they'll just ask people to "contribute" scans, like they've gotten people to basically make street view for them[1].

[1] http://www.google.com/maps/about/contribute/photosphere/

Re:Project Tango by esemiss on Thursday February 20, 2014 @06:40PM (#7274450)
That's nothing, they actually track store visits now to monetize ads. And if you opt out then a lot of things including Google Now stop working.

http://digiday.com/platforms/google-tracking/

I find it odd that stories like that don't get much exposure on HN unlike negative stories about Apple, Facebook, Microsoft etc.

Re:Project Tango by emehrkay on Thursday February 20, 2014 @07:09PM (#7274584)
See. This is the stuff that I don't like. While Tango is cool, self-driving cars are cool, and Google Fiber is needed, I feel like Google is only doing these things to collect data about me.
Re:Project Tango by ForHackernews on Thursday February 20, 2014 @07:35PM (#7274689)
> I feel like Google is only doing these things to collect data about me.

They are. Selling ads is basically the only way Google makes money.

It'd be nice if they at least offered the option to pay $X/year to use Google services without tracking. But I think that would be unlikely, because it would highlight the value of the data many people give away freely.