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Re:We made something. We use it. We love it. Apple rejected it by coldtea on Thursday February 13, 2014 @02:06AM (#7229962)
>I have no idea why so many tech-saavy people still love Apple.

Good hardware offerings (beyond the "my custom built hot-rod has a faster CPU"), and a full blown UNIX desktop OS with a nice interface and access to all kinds of proprietary software and consumer/professional peripherals.

Plus "absurd tyrannical control over the app store"? Apple made the whole platform, API and market out of thin air, it's not like people have some inherent god-given right to have their apps featured in it. And still -- there are now over 800,000 apps on it -- if anything it's as lax as it comes for a closed market. Try developing for game consoles some day.

As for "patent trolling", I haven't see anything beyond all other companies, from Google to Oracle and MS, do.

Re:We made something. We use it. We love it. Apple rejected it by erichocean on Thursday February 13, 2014 @09:35AM (#7231554)
Try developing for game consoles some day.

It's hilarious the number of people getting up from their Xbox or Playstation to rip on Apple for being a closed garden, and why, oh why, would anyone, anywhere be so stupid to develop for, or buy into, a walled garden.

The cognitive dissonance is intense, which explains, I think the barely contained rage seeping out of each comment.

Re:We made something. We use it. We love it. Apple rejected it by dnissley on Thursday February 13, 2014 @02:49PM (#7233778)
It's not cognitive dissonance, it's the fact that most people see their phones as closer to general purpose computers than they do their video game consoles.

And that's not crazy. The variety of things you do with your phone is far wider than the variety of things you do on your console. With a console you pretty much just want to play games and maybe use it as a video streaming machine so you don't have to get another device for such a simple function. Compare that to your phone, whose usefulness as a device for making calls has been marginalized, and usefulness for just about everything else has exploded.

Re:We made something. We use it. We love it. Apple rejected it by lucian1900 on Thursday February 13, 2014 @05:35AM (#7230610)
As long as users are not allowed to install their own apps, Apple have "absurd tyrannical control" over iOS apps.
Re:We made something. We use it. We love it. Apple rejected it by erichocean on Thursday February 13, 2014 @09:36AM (#7231562)
I'm a user, I install my own apps. They're called "web apps", and if you'll recall, that was Apple's first plan.

Developers hated it, of course, so now we have the App Store. But it's not like Apple has all of a sudden stopped people from bookmarking a website and using it like a built-in app.

Re:We made something. We use it. We love it. Apple rejected it by lucian1900 on Thursday February 13, 2014 @01:53PM (#7233323)
And they rightly should hate such plan, since it makes their apps second class. The competition even lets you replace the launcher.
Re:We made something. We use it. We love it. Apple rejected it by erichocean on Thursday February 13, 2014 @02:24PM (#7233601)
Doesn't that imply that with Firefox OS, every app is second class?

And if it doesn't, then why is the app "second class" when run on an iOS device? Phones running Firefox OS do have native apps running (e.g. the browser). Is Firefox OS doing the wrong thing by preventing users from installing native apps?

If it's A-okay when Mozilla does it, the same should be true when Apple does it.

Re:We made something. We use it. We love it. Apple rejected it by coldtea on Thursday February 13, 2014 @07:01AM (#7230836)
Well, as long as users could not care less, it doesn't count as "absurd tyrannical control" in my books.
Re:We made something. We use it. We love it. Apple rejected it by Touche on Thursday February 13, 2014 @09:04AM (#7231389)
Users are mostly unaware. You'd be surprised at how many users think Apple makes all of the apps in the App Store. I think the biggest problem is truth in advertisement. If it were properly regulated, getting an iPhone would be advertised as something more akin to leasing than purchasing.
Re:We made something. We use it. We love it. Apple rejected it by MereInterest on Thursday February 13, 2014 @09:45AM (#7231608)
s/users/most users/g

If I want to install software on a device that I bought, I should not need to jailbreak it. If I want to install software on a device that I bought, I should not need to buy a developer's license.

Re:We made something. We use it. We love it. Apple rejected it by coldtea on Thursday February 13, 2014 @09:59AM (#7231673)
Well, in the abstract I agree.

But if the platform was built by someone else, he gets to set the rules.

And if the rules are lax enough, like the App Store is, and people using the platform dont mind much, then we don't have much of a case.

Re:We made something. We use it. We love it. Apple rejected it by JoeAltmaier on Thursday February 13, 2014 @10:03AM (#7231687)
That's disingenuous. Other platforms are open; Apple sets the rules because they closed the platform. Their excuse for this was to improve security and reliability(?) SO now they're curating based on subjective standards of questionable merit.

If the app meets reliability and design standards, why not let the market decide? Its arrogance.

Re:We made something. We use it. We love it. Apple rejected it by MereInterest on Thursday February 13, 2014 @07:25PM (#7235814)
Every platform was built by somebody. If I buy batteries, should the engineer who designed those batteries (or, heck, Alessandro Volta) be able to place restrictions on the use of those batteries? If I buy a car, should the seller be able to place restrictions on which roads I drive on? If I buy flour, should I be able to use it in recipes only with ingredients bought from the same company?

Apple should by no means ever restrict the ability to place code on a device that they sell. Restrict things from the App Store? Sure. Restrict devices to only use the App Store? Absolutely not.