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Re:Widespread sex differences in gene expression in the huma... by stcredzero on Tuesday February 11, 2014 @02:14PM (#7219676)
We'll said! Also, we should be careful not to impose new restrictive social conditioning while eliminating the legacy conditioning. We will never entirely succeed, but we should try. (In the same way that one can't drive 100% straight but one should still make a good effort.)

Once one's movement for justice has crossed the line, where there are apologetics for the abandonment of that effort, it is then creating injustice.

Re:Widespread sex differences in gene expression in the huma... by einhverfr on Wednesday February 12, 2014 @05:19AM (#7223512)
What's the difference then between "social conditioning" and "culture?" Doesn't all social conditioning restrict? If so, isn't this just a way of rehashing the same idea that culture is the source of all evil human-rights-wise?
Re:Widespread sex differences in gene expression in the huma... by cwaniak on Tuesday February 11, 2014 @05:51PM (#7221111)
Oh, you Marxists and your never ending quest to "eliminate" this or that from the society. The human genes haven't changed in the past 10,000 years. There is nothing you can change that will not dive back into the previous state with some social unrest or crisis.
Re:Widespread sex differences in gene expression in the huma... by Fomite on Tuesday February 11, 2014 @06:53PM (#7221503)
This will come as a shock to those who are lactose intolerant, a mutation whose rise is in the vicinity of that time period.

Protip: Evolution doesn't actually stop.

Unless that was sarcastic. At which point, carry on :)

Re:Widespread sex differences in gene expression in the huma... by lambdaphage on Tuesday February 11, 2014 @08:19PM (#7221862)
Adult lactose tolerance is the mutant phenotype-- intolerance is the norm.
Re:Widespread sex differences in gene expression in the huma... by Fomite on Tuesday February 11, 2014 @08:54PM (#7221980)
Yeah, that. Mea culpa, but the idea remains the same.
Re:Widespread sex differences in gene expression in the huma... by stcredzero on Tuesday February 11, 2014 @09:01PM (#7222006)
Marxists..."eliminate" this or that from the society.

Ok, you're right. Things just haven't been as good since we Marxists have eliminated the doctrine of coverture and laws forbidding women to wear pants. (Fact. Look these up.)

A) I'm not Marxist. B) Society in the recent past was far from perfect. C) For your sake, I hope you're trolling and this isn't your best attempt at a reasoned response.

Re:Widespread sex differences in gene expression in the huma... by einhverfr on Tuesday February 11, 2014 @11:51PM (#7222572)
s/Marxists/Progressives/

Marx was a progressive (i.e. he saw history as an endless march towards progress). But not all progressives are Marxists.

If you buy the myth of progress, then eliminating divisions in society and traditional institutions like strong families is good because it is good for that sort of individualism which supports a modern corporate economy. on the other hand, if you don't buy it, then you might start asking why family businesses and expecting to retire with the kids are so bad, and why we sacrifice family on the alter of individualism.....

I consider myself to be on the "light side" of post-modernism, namely that side which looks to the premodern past for truth (not the dark side which tends to discount all knowledge).

Re:Widespread sex differences in gene expression in the huma... by PhasmaFelis on Tuesday February 11, 2014 @09:08PM (#7222050)
Yeah, you're just trolling now.
Re:Widespread sex differences in gene expression in the huma... by tw268 on Tuesday February 11, 2014 @08:43PM (#7221939)
Feminists believe that traditional female behavior is bad/useless and needs to be eliminated. We tell girls that to be worthwhile, they need to live lives like men. I never understood this. If people are happy and productive in traditional roles, why do they need to be eliminated?
Re:Widespread sex differences in gene expression in the huma... by PhasmaFelis on Tuesday February 11, 2014 @09:06PM (#7222036)
That's the popular strawman, not what (most) feminists believe. Feminism* teaches that women (and men) should be allowed to do whatever they want, whether that's stay home with the kids or run a corporation; as opposed to "traditional" values that dictate strictly gender-segregated life paths.

Yes, I'm sure you can find feminists who think that blah blah blah whatever. Every group, movement, and party on Earth has fringe members. Look at what the majority* believes, not what the furthest extremes say.

Re:Widespread sex differences in gene expression in the huma... by tw268 on Tuesday February 11, 2014 @11:31PM (#7222499)
Feminists give their girls toys typically associated with males and male professions. They seem mortified that their girls might want to be veterinarians, teachers, nurses, or mothers. Thereby, they devalue all the women who have acted like women in the past.

No dolls for you, little girl. If you have a Barbie, it better be the one with a computer, web developer Barbie. How about you put down that tutu, and put on these mechanic overalls instead?

This isn't a hypothetical. I have a friend with a strong education who wants to be a teacher. Her parents told her they would be disappointed if she did that. It's an inappropriate profession for an ambitious female, even if it is what she's passionate about.

We tell girls to work 80 hours a week. Forget about a family, unless you can squeeze it in somewhere in your late 30s. And pick up a nice male profession, like programming. Don't even think about being a housewife or a yoga instructor.

The message is to act like boys, not useless girls.

Re:Widespread sex differences in gene expression in the huma... by jakobsen on Wednesday February 12, 2014 @08:59AM (#7224261)
Ok, stop the strawman bullshit already. What you describe is NOT feminism by any stretch of imagination.

You are describing the imposing of traditional roles based on gender (in your case, that of boys on a girl) which is exactly what feminism is against.

Re:Widespread sex differences in gene expression in the huma... by tw268 on Wednesday February 12, 2014 @03:05PM (#7226915)
What is feminism, if not the actions of feminists? I've seen this with my own eyes.

And the message of "Lean In" and the like is very much against the traditional female lifestyle. Prioritizing family over work is called "leaning out" and criticized.

Re:Widespread sex differences in gene expression in the huma... by jakobsen on Wednesday February 12, 2014 @05:32PM (#7227840)
I think it's wrong to define an ideology with hundreds of years of history by the actions of a random person you happen to know. Have you ever bothered to read Wollstonecraft? Simone de Beauvoir? even Naomi Wolf?? I encourage to do so and try to understand how feminists outside your circle think and behave.
Re:Widespread sex differences in gene expression in the huma... by stcredzero on Tuesday February 11, 2014 @09:10PM (#7222060)
When radical feminists start deliberately violating the free assembly and speech rights of other groups, what should the response of the majority feminists be?
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Re:Widespread sex differences in gene expression in the huma... by stcredzero on Wednesday February 12, 2014 @10:36AM (#7224818)
Yes. Groups labeling themselves as feminists have sought to disrupt speakers, harass audience members, and basically stop gatherings by literally doing nothing more enlightening than yelling, "Shut up already!" Then this behavior is justified through ad homonym attacks on the speaker and audience.

You can find references to the earlier incident here: http://oncampus.macleans.ca/education/2013/03/08/a-mens-righ...

Also, 5 minutes into the speech described above, the fire alarm was pulled. To me, that's not speaking truth to power. That's violating the rights of others.

Re:Widespread sex differences in gene expression in the huma... by magicalist on Tuesday February 11, 2014 @09:28PM (#7222135)
Why should "majority feminists" have any more expectations for their response to those actions than there are for, say, your response?