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Re:German Court Says Domain Registrars Are Responsible for C... by us0r on Saturday February 08, 2014 @05:24AM (#7200860)
People like to complain about laws/regulation/tax/etc. in the US but it is on an entirely different level in the EU.
Re:German Court Says Domain Registrars Are Responsible for C... by bowlofpetunias on Saturday February 08, 2014 @06:57AM (#7200980)
People like to complain about the EU without understanding what the EU is.

Hint: none of this has fuck all to do with the EU. Germany is a sovereign nation.

Edit: And at least this is happening in a proper legal process (which is far from over). It doesn't even come close to the FBI barging in and hijacking domain names of foreign sites without any form of legal process.

Re:German Court Says Domain Registrars Are Responsible for C... by waps on Saturday February 08, 2014 @07:16PM (#7203553)
Not at all. A sovereign nation is a nation that has an organisation that decides what it wants to do that cannot be overridden (like the Bundestag).

In practice the Bundestag has the following demands foisted upon it by the European constitutaion :

1) the European commission can suspend any law, or any number of them, with immediate effect.

2) the European commission can force the Bundestag to enter any text it damn well pleases into law.

3) the European commission can override any legal decision made inside Germany's courts, and can lift any existing case to the European level (where the justices are appointed by the same people who appoint people into the European commission)

4) The European commission can sign treaties in the name of Germany. These treaties have been, in jurisprudence, declared to superseed national law. It has not currently been tested, but in theory they can also superseed the German constitution.

Incidentally, the elected part of the EU, the parliament, does not have any real influence.

Given these, I think it's pretty bloody obvious that Germany is not a sovereign nation. Look at the Germany vs Amazon debacle to see further proof of this.

Re:German Court Says Domain Registrars Are Responsible for C... by tluyben2 on Saturday February 08, 2014 @05:30AM (#7200868)
Germany is not the EU and this is not final; it'll never pass EU wide nor will it in Germany for that matter.
Re:German Court Says Domain Registrars Are Responsible for C... by us0r on Saturday February 08, 2014 @06:26AM (#7200941)
Germany is the epitome of the EU. Pass or not Germany and the EU has way more regulation then the US. My point was people who like to complain about regulation here should take a peek across the pond.
Re:German Court Says Domain Registrars Are Responsible for C... by tluyben2 on Saturday February 08, 2014 @08:52AM (#7201165)
We definitely have too much regulation for companies here, but on the other hand you cannot really gain much with lawsuits as everyone does kind of act to what is common sense. Unless you did something which is obviously wrong (defraud taxes, steal actual money), no matter what comes out of court usually doesn't impact much / anything for companies. Unlike the US I believe.
Re:German Court Says Domain Registrars Are Responsible for C... by pjump on Saturday February 08, 2014 @07:39AM (#7201038)
My impression is that EU countries have annoyingly too much regulation for businesses and tend to afford individuals much more freedom than people have in the US. In the US, it seems to be the other way around.
Re:German Court Says Domain Registrars Are Responsible for C... by vwinsyee on Saturday February 08, 2014 @05:47PM (#7203177)
But in the US, corporations are people too! [1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_personhood

Re:German Court Says Domain Registrars Are Responsible for C... by tomp on Saturday February 08, 2014 @12:49PM (#7201869)
Why would that be bad? The point of regulation is to prevent market inefficiencies, abuses, scams and similar. Regulation is the reason EU customers know how much they will pay for items (VAT included), know what the final flight prices will be, can have mobile subscriptions costing less than 25€ per month, get vacation, sick days and pregnancy leave, ...
Re:German Court Says Domain Registrars Are Responsible for C... by halfdan on Saturday February 08, 2014 @05:48AM (#7200892)
It is also important to note that in difference to the US court rulings cannot be used as reference for future cases in Germany.
Re:German Court Says Domain Registrars Are Responsible for C... by julioademar on Saturday February 08, 2014 @06:08AM (#7200916)
Yea, we're all pretty sane over here.
Re:German Court Says Domain Registrars Are Responsible for C... by us0r on Saturday February 08, 2014 @06:28AM (#7200944)
No way? I thought the supreme court was like ..... supreme?
Re:German Court Says Domain Registrars Are Responsible for C... by netrus on Saturday February 08, 2014 @06:58AM (#7200981)
Well, they may have the last word in some cases. But no judge is ever bound to act according to a supreme court judgement. They might do so, but they don't have to. To make decision permanent, the parliament has to pass a law.
Re:German Court Says Domain Registrars Are Responsible for C... by pjump on Saturday February 08, 2014 @07:34AM (#7201027)
Courts within Civil Law systems are there just to interpret and enforce the law, not to create it. What individual courts decide is not binding on anyone but the involved parties.
Re:German Court Says Domain Registrars Are Responsible for C... by mariuolo on Saturday February 08, 2014 @09:43AM (#7201278)
Even if not binding they are important references.
Re:German Court Says Domain Registrars Are Responsible for C... by pjump on Saturday February 08, 2014 @07:27AM (#7201016)
Exactly.