IRC Networks Under Systematic Attack From Governments

Re:IRC Networks Under Systematic Attack From Governments by xnyhps on Thursday February 06, 2014 @05:42PM (#7193411)

> Just looked up CRAM-MD5, and the password is used as a key to HMAC-MD5, which means you can at least store MD5'ed versions of the passwords.

In real CRAM-MD5 this is not true. It uses HMAC-MD5 of the key directly. To be able to calculate that, you need to do

    MD5((key XOR opad) || ...)

Which means that you either store "key XOR opad" (not meaningfully different from storing key), or an intermediate result from MD5, which is tricky.

Quakenet's authentication mechanisms, except for LEGACY-MD5, call MD5, SHA1 and SHA256 before using it as the key, so they could store just each of those different hashes (unsalted). The LEGACY-MD5 mechanism does require the plain text password to be known by the server.

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Re:IRC Networks Under Systematic Attack From Governments by optimiz3 on Thursday February 06, 2014 @07:48PM (#7194047)

That's what I mean - store the intermediate result of the MD5(key XOR ipad) and MD5(key XOR opad). The only trickery is implementing the HMAC wrapper, but that's not very difficult.

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