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Re:Two big announcements by dror on Wednesday February 05, 2014 @02:09AM (#7182354)
We use basecamp and campfire at work. Basecamp is mediocre, not horrible and not great. Campfire sucks compared to similar tools that I've used in the past.

Seems to me that they've been successful mostly because of their involvement in the Ruby and startup world, rather than making great products. Nothing wrong with that, but it's good to be clear about the distinction between a company that makes great product and a company that's good at marketing itself.

Re:Two big announcements by girvo on Wednesday February 05, 2014 @02:40AM (#7182434)
A lot of people (myself included) would disagree with you there. The fact that they can afford to do something like the OP is announcing is sort of proving that... I've not used any project management tool that I've liked as much as Basecamp, and I've used heaps of them.

Campfire is pretty bad though, yeah.

Re:Two big announcements by FireBeyond on Wednesday February 05, 2014 @11:46AM (#7184780)
That doesn't really make sense to me - "they can afford to shutter their other products" (or rather, spin them off) because of how good they are?

Or, rather, that there's no significant loss to them due to shuttering, because of the (relative) lack of use.

That said, spinning off would be the -wise- idea. Most likely they'll find a good amount from a buyer based on the name and reputation.

Re:Two big announcements by adrianhoward on Wednesday February 05, 2014 @05:45AM (#7182988)
"Seems to me that they've been successful mostly because of their involvement in the Ruby and startup world, rather than making great products"

You also need to look at when basecamp & campfire were first released. They were significantly better in comparison to the competition at the time. And while basecamp doesn't personally fit with how I run and manage projects, I know a lot of people who are very happy with it. It fits in with how a lot of companies (many of them not "technical" companies) run their projects. For a certain kind of business it's a very good product.

"Nothing wrong with that, but it's good to be clear about the distinction between a company that makes great product and a company that's good at marketing itself"

A company that's not good at marketing and sales doesn't stay a company - no matter how good the products are ;-)

Re:Two big announcements by capdiz on Wednesday February 05, 2014 @06:19AM (#7183111)
"A company that's not good at marketing and sales doesn't stay a company - no matter how good the products are ;-)".

does a product that grows due to word of mouth amount to good marketing? i believe not. dropbox, github and recently put.io. i learnt about these products because of word of mouth e.g show hn not Google ads or some youtube marketing gimmick. i tend to use a product if a friend i know is immune to FOMO recommends it to me.

Re:Two big announcements by stock_toaster on Wednesday February 05, 2014 @03:12AM (#7182543)
I would agree that campfire, the web app, is lacking. However, there are some pretty decent "apps" that you can use. I use and like flint[1].

[1]: http://giantcomet.com/flint/mac/

Re:Two big announcements by calibraxis on Wednesday February 05, 2014 @05:07AM (#7182872)
What are great alternatives to Basecamp? (I don't use Basecamp but am interested in the space.)
Re:Two big announcements by k1w1 on Wednesday February 05, 2014 @10:02AM (#7184055)
The thing that Basecamp does well is that it is a generic project management tool that can be used for any kind of project - thus its wide appeal. The most interesting alternatives are ones that specialize in particular types of projects. For example, if you are a designer there is Solo and if you are a product manager there is my product Aha! - http://www.aha.io. These alternatives specialize by taking the common elements of project management software (like todo lists, calendars and comments) and tailoring them towards a particular job function.
Re:Two big announcements by calibraxis on Wednesday February 05, 2014 @10:27AM (#7184217)
Thank you! Checking out Aha! now. Seems Solo may come in handy too sometime...
Re:Two big announcements by loomio on Wednesday February 05, 2014 @03:58PM (#7186750)
Totally depends what you're trying to accomplish. Basecamp can be great for managing a whole project in all its complexity. But often times that's overkill, and too many features get in the way.

We[0] differentiate by keeping it as simple as possible: have discussions and make decisions together, that's it.

Other tools are great for other types of projects, such as Trello[1] for a sort of collaborative to-do list.

[0] http://www.loomio.org [1] http://www.trello.com

Re:Two big announcements by neilkelty on Friday February 07, 2014 @08:23AM (#7196114)
After being a Basecamp customer basically since Launch, I've begun trying Asana - http://www.asana.com
Re:Two big announcements by theknown99 on Wednesday February 05, 2014 @04:42AM (#7182785)
It was also a pretty dick move when they complained after someone (from Google?) reimplemented campfire in a day, and made them take it down.

If your entire product can be copied in a day, it's probably not that great.

Re:Two big announcements by nacs on Wednesday February 05, 2014 @05:53AM (#7183024)
I'd think an HN user would know better.. It takes drastically less time to clone a product than to make it from scratch and refine it to perfection.
Re:Two big announcements by midas007 on Wednesday February 05, 2014 @06:50PM (#7187691)
Execution is somewhat hard, but there needs to be durable competitive advantage: user base, brand, IP, talent, etc. All other things being more-less equal, a few apps will inevitably dominate. (I would acquire Asana and Rally Software which owns FlowDock.)
Re:Two big announcements by theknown99 on Wednesday February 05, 2014 @05:59AM (#7183047)
So why did they cry and make google remove the webchat client then?

The idea that campfire is refined to perfection is laughable.