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Re:Why are US corporate profits so high? Because wages are s... by mattmanser on Monday January 27, 2014 @04:30AM (#7129527)
So what?

This is the thing I don't get, why shouldn't the employees of the company, no matter how skilled, share in the good times? They certainly pay in the bad times.

As companies have become ever more callous and unions ever weaker all the money has moved to the owner side. It's not simply just about "I won this factory, therefore I get all the money", as I think we're going to find out in the next 20 years, that kind of thinking leads to major civil unrest and we will probably see the replacement to unions forming in the next decade or so.

Re:Why are US corporate profits so high? Because wages are s... by FollowSteph3 on Monday January 27, 2014 @06:22AM (#7129783)
But they don't generally share in the bad times. If a company has a bad year most people don't take a pay cut. And they definitely won't get paid nothing for a year while lending money to the company!!!

For example you own a local garage. On normal years to make $500,000. Your costs are $400,000. One year thing go bad and you only make $300,000. In most cases the owner will borrow the money to cover the difference. Maybe someone is let go but in most cases the owner tries to retain the staff hoping next year is back to normal. Maybe the owner will use his own money rather than borrow. In any case they will find the money somehow or close. And remember this is at the same time as having your salary reduced to $0!

Eventually the owner wants to recoup and protect themselves from any bad year. But at a $100,000 profit a year, and remember this is pre tax, and profits are double taxed for the owner, then how long will it take to save pay them back and save enough for the next bad year?

So if one year he make $600,000, or double the profits, he needs to keep those profits for the bad years.

Now big corporations are slightly different but at the same time they need to be absorb harder years. So right now they squeezing profits but at some point those profits will be needed for a bad year. Or perhaps it was to pay for the recent bad years in which they may have acquire debt...

Some corporations are greedy, but a lot aren't. You have to look at the multi year picture when it comes to profit sharing. And most employees are not willing to loan money to a corporation in a bad year like the owners will most likely have to ;)

Re:Why are US corporate profits so high? Because wages are s... by MereInterest on Monday January 27, 2014 @08:52AM (#7130258)
You're assuming that both the company and that division of the company survives. If it goes under, if labor is outsourced, if a factory closes, the workers lose their jobs. Of course they share in the bad times, and far more than the owners of the company do, since the workers have more at stake.
Re:Why are US corporate profits so high? Because wages are s... by tomp on Monday January 27, 2014 @08:02AM (#7130072)
> most cases the owner tries to retain the staff hoping next year is back to normal

Any evidence to support that claim? Especially during the crises (when there is not one, but several years), I think it's not very true.

> profits are double taxed for the owner

They are not double taxed if they are reinvested in the company (or saved as insurance for bad years).

> the owners will most likely have to [loan money to a corporation]

Really? Any recent examples?

Re:Why are US corporate profits so high? Because wages are s... by josho on Monday January 27, 2014 @10:44AM (#7130858)
You present a false choice here, regarding employees not "generally sharing in the bad times". The CEOs of these companies often don't share in the bad times either, while they most certainly are rewarded for the good times. Why should it be any different for all levels of employees?

Now, regarding the owner of a small business loaning their company money, while employees do not. Employees are not given the choice, likely because the loan is to high of risk for the average employee given their personal net worth and as important most owner's don't want their employees to be given the option (ie. as an owner of a garage I would not want my employees having that level of access to the company's finances).

The primary issue however is the treatment of labor, let's not get lost in details of risk/loans/etc. Given that technology is leading to a surplus of labor, a general multi-decade trend against labor. The question that society needs to address is how do we treat labor? Business can exploit labor pushing what's acceptable, which will lead to larger wins for industry as we can already see today, but is that right? I think you and I differ in opinion on the answer to that question.

Re:Why are US corporate profits so high? Because wages are s... by gaius on Monday January 27, 2014 @05:02AM (#7129598)
The way to do that is via profit sharing/bonuses - converting payroll from a fixed to a floating expense, essentially.

I disagree that "companies" have become more callous. The general public want their cheap stuff, and they don't really care. The press is full of horror stories about sweatshops every week and yet, everyone wants their new iPhone and their new trainers and their clothes to wear for a few months at most... What will it take to effect a change in the mind of the consumer?