Re:Why is the American dream dead in the south?
by judk on Sunday January 26, 2014 @08:33PM
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Hmm.
Steve Jobs
Sergey Brin
Jeff Bezos
David Koch
Michael Dell
Bill Clinton
Re:Why is the American dream dead in the south?
by okaram on Sunday January 26, 2014 @10:31PM
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And it may also have to do with your definition of 'dockworker' ; Dell's mom and dad were a stockbrocker and an orthodontist; Clinton was working-class but not poor; same with Jobs (he was adopted at birth, dad was a mechanic, and mom an accountant); Brin's dad is a Math prof and his mom works at NASA; seems Koch's grandad was wealthy (I can't find more on wikipedia; it also says he went to MIT and doesn't mention scholarships, so his family was probably well-off).
Re:Why is the American dream dead in the south?
by stuaxo on Monday January 27, 2014 @06:22AM
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Koch family were not bad off..
http://exiledonline.com/a-peoples-history-of-koch-industries...
Re:Why is the American dream dead in the south?
by _delirium on Monday January 27, 2014 @06:51AM
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I didn't argue that no Americans from poor families become part of the elite, only that it seems to happen at a lower rate than in Denmark. That's what the quintile-mobility figures are measuring, after all.
Relative position also matters quite a bit. In Denmark, you can be born on the lower end of society, and end up as one of the country's elites, with greater probability than is the case in the US. I take this as the "Horatio Alger" myth: you are born to a dock worker, and end up President of the USA, or CEO of a Big Company, a unique trajectory only possible in America. But you are actually more likely to make this dockworker-to-PM or dockworker-to-CEO transition in Denmark, contrary to the myth! Put differently, who constitutes the elite in Denmark is less determined by parentage, whereas the American political/economic/cultural elite is more heredity-determined, because the differences from birth are too large to overcome. I think this question of which stratum of the previous generation's families this generation's CEOs/etc. come from has significant implications for society: if it's only from last generation's top-20%, this produces a multi-generational elite, which is generally bad. It could well be that one way to combat the emergence of a multi-generational elite is simply to reduce income inequality.